I've been hearing a lot about bags and vehicles in the past couple of years, and with the turn the country has taken in the last 10 years, it seemed like a good idea to procure both.
First off, I was lucky enough to find a full size 1990 ford bronco with less than 100000k on it. The majority of work I 've done to it has just focused on function (plugs, sensors, etc). I have added 31" offroad tires. I considered a brush guard, but upon replacing the front bumper, I estimated it to be somewhere between 50 and 60lbs of solid steel. That being said, I don't think I need one. I will be replacing the lock on the center console, maybe replacing the console entirely. I plan to replace power windows with the cranks- doors and tailgate alike. Possible new paint next summer- OD green.
I keep an blanket, change of clothes, jacket, and sleeping bag in the truck at all times.
My bag is a Vietnam era Alice pack (I think).
Clothing:
Set of military fatigues- woodland camo pattern
2 pair socks
2 pair skivvies
pair of black leather gloves
pair of wool shooters gloves
ski hat and mask
poncho
First Aid:
Hydrogen Peroxide
Fishing line and needle
Various bandages and tape
Surgical kit i threw together
Misc:
Light cord
Mini maglite
wire cutters
whet stone
small binoculars
Fire starting materials
Ontario Cutlery USAF knife
Army survival manual
notebook
pen/pencil
sharpie marker
4-5 maps of my home town
I know it looks like a lot, but I've found a lot of corners to cut, and the whole rig cant weigh more than 30 lbs.
When it comes to defense, I've run into a problem. My 1911 as a sidearm, no problem, but I need suggestions on a good conceal holster. Then there's the long arm problem. I narrowed it down to my 91/30 or sks. Weight advantage goes to the SKS, but there are plenty of open hilltops to shoot from, so range would be nice, and I'd like to avoid civilization for as long as possible anyway. But bolt guns wouldn't be to handy in a building. also, ammo. Carrying won't be a problem. With a bolt gun, I'm less apt to waste it, but I may need to put some serious lead downrange. What do you think?
I'm a pretty avid outdoorsman. I'm VERY familiar with the land inside a 20mi radius around my home. Taking care of myself won't be an issue, I was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions or improvements or noticed anything I've overlooked.
Thanks
I've been hearing a lot about bags and vehicles in the past couple of years, and with the turn the country has taken in the last 10 years, it seemed like a good idea to procure both.
First off, I was lucky enough to find a full size 1990 ford bronco with less than 100000k on it. The majority of work I 've done to it has just focused on function (plugs, sensors, etc). I have added 31" offroad tires. I considered a brush guard, but upon replacing the front bumper, I estimated it to be somewhere between 50 and 60lbs of solid steel. That being said, I don't think I need one. I will be replacing the lock on the center console, maybe replacing the console entirely. I plan to replace power windows with the cranks- doors and tailgate alike. Possible new paint next summer- OD green.
I keep an blanket, change of clothes, jacket, and sleeping bag in the truck at all times.
My bag is a Vietnam era Alice pack (I think).
Clothing:
Set of military fatigues- woodland camo pattern
2 pair socks
2 pair skivvies
pair of black leather gloves
pair of wool shooters gloves
ski hat and mask
poncho
First Aid:
Hydrogen Peroxide
Fishing line and needle
Various bandages and tape
Surgical kit i threw together
Misc:
Light cord
Mini maglite
wire cutters
whet stone
small binoculars
Fire starting materials
Ontario Cutlery USAF knife
Army survival manual
notebook
pen/pencil
sharpie marker
4-5 maps of my home town
I know it looks like a lot, but I've found a lot of corners to cut, and the whole rig cant weigh more than 30 lbs.
When it comes to defense, I've run into a problem. My 1911 as a sidearm, no problem, but I need suggestions on a good conceal holster. Then there's the long arm problem. I narrowed it down to my 91/30 or sks. Weight advantage goes to the SKS, but there are plenty of open hilltops to shoot from, so range would be nice, and I'd like to avoid civilization for as long as possible anyway. But bolt guns wouldn't be to handy in a building. also, ammo. Carrying won't be a problem. With a bolt gun, I'm less apt to waste it, but I may need to put some serious lead downrange. What do you think?
I'm a pretty avid outdoorsman. I'm VERY familiar with the land inside a 20mi radius around my home. Taking care of myself won't be an issue, I was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions or improvements or noticed anything I've overlooked.
Thanks
You might want to splurge on a Saiga .308 and a quick detach scope (for those long shots). It's semi-auto, inexpensive and has range.
Might want to add some petroleum jelly, cotton balls and fishhooks or learn to make your own. You're an avid outdoorsman so the finest survival tool you already posess is Your brain.
the sks should do fine for hunting as well as clearing buildings. I was lucky enough recently in a vehicle purchas as well. I found a 77 blazer that looked like it came off the carlot in great condition, no rust, 125k on the body and 8k on a new rebuilt engine and tranny.
welcome to G&G St Andrews Fall, there is a wealth of knowledge here at g&g...
1. why do you need to conceal carry your sidearm during a shtf senerio... if its hidden then its harder to use... if its stuffed in a bag then you might have to ditch the bag while on the run and then you lose it all together. I would rather get a nice holster for my belt or a paddle holster to slip into my pants then to conceal/carry my sidearm.
2. SKS, would be my choice for the all around battle rifle... its good for 200 yd distances like hunting and snipes... and its good for doing CQC if you have a different stock with a vert grip... all around good rifle i think anyway...
But there is probably something better out there, but im thinking as to what you have on hand right now...
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In the event of a SHTF scenario, I'm sure I won't be the only one running around the wilds of the northeast with a gun. I'm willing to bet that half the people I come across will be less than patriotic, and even less courteous. I think having a concealed weapon would be a good idea, and a slight advantage. In the event that I'm outnumbered, I'm sure the SKS and a handgun freely dangling from my hip would be the first things I lost.
If you like the M1911 the El Paso Saddlery Covert Force IWB holster works very well for concealed carry and is comfortable when riding in a vehicle. It has a reinforced opening which enables one-hand reholstering, which is important. "C-Force" (Covert Force) Holster
While your survival ruck looks pretty good, it is useful to plan essential equipment in three layers:
Level 1 is your Every Day Carry (EDC) which you always have with you on your key ring, in pockets, etc. I carry my cell phone in my pocket, keep a Brunton Clipper compass on my watch band, a Mil-K-818 pocket knife in a rigger's pouch on my belt, a Fox 40 whistle, Streamlight Nano light and K1 Sparky striker on my keyring, and a credit card sized Fresnel lens in my wallet. If I have to go into the courthouse I must check my cell phone and pocket knife at the door, but they usually let the rest in.
Level 2 is a compact "grab & go" kit which fits in a commuter's briefcase, or which can be dispersed into two approximately equal "med" and "utility" modules in your coat, vest, flight suit, or BDU cargo pockets. This small kit to supplements EDC pocket contents in the "weapons only - drop rucks" or SERE scenario. Mine weighs 2 pounds. Elsewhere on this forum I posted a list of suggested contents as an idea starter. I can email a more detailed list with specific item descriptions, NSNs, vendor info, etc. to anyone who would like to use this as a training aid for discussion purposes only. You should always customize your kit to best suit your mission, situation and area of operations.
Sock's, sock's, and more sock's. you can never have too many socks. i mean unless thats the only thing you have in your bag, and your bag is full. you might want more than two pair of socks. i have a weeks worth of sock's, i think that's perfect, just enough so if it keeps raining you can last a while without getting trench foot. spare boots dont hurt either. this is just my experiences from being stuck out in the field in NC. oh yeah and something i learned from afghanistan. whenever you bring electronic's out with you, make sure you have spare battery's. and i know it sounds stupid but put something in your bag that can keep you busy, like a deck of cards or something. something that even by yourself, you can do so you dont drive yourself absolutely nuts
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if you threw together a surgical kit, ya might want a good first aid and emergency surgery book to go along with it. As for firearms 1911 is good and sks probably as good as anything else. I might include maps(topo) of area a little further out than the immediate area just in case.
I didn't see any food in your list and only one reference to it. I get my stuff from MREdepot.com. They have more than just MRE's. If you have issues with sodium stay away from Mountain House. VERY salty.
Also on that note a good quality water filter. I have a 'first need' but there are others out there.
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I'd suggest adding a hunter's or fisherman's vest to your clothing list. They have a lot of pockets and you can pack a surprising amount of stuff you'd want to be able to lay your hands on without opening the main pack into those pockets. Please note that many of these have a large zippered pocket that runs across the back. That's a convenient spot to put your maps in. Put it in your truck in a space bag and shrug into it first thing, even if you're putting it on over your street clothes. Pack the pockets with basic survival gear accordingly.
While I'm a fan of the Mosin Nagant, I'd go with the SKS as your SHTF longarm mostly for this reason: ammo availability. The AK-47 being such a popular rifle these days, most gun stores and even places like WalMart (if any near you still sell ammo; the politically correct ones around here don't) will have some 7.62x39 ammo on the shelves. In the SHTF scenario, you want to be carrying a gun or guns that are of what I call the "universal calibers" you can get everywhere for where you are. In North America, these are .22LR, 7.62x51 NATO/.308 Win, 7.62x39 ComBloc, .223/5.56 NATO, 9x19mm aka 9mm Luger, .45 ACP and 2 3/4" 12 Gauge. Fond as I am of the Mosin, and powerful as it is, you can't rely on finding ammo for it anywhere you go. Therefore, in my mind it loses out to the SKS.
Oh - be sure you have a cleaning kit for it and for your pistol in your bug-out bag. That's important. I suggest a bottle of Gunzilla and boresnakes in the appropriate calibers, plus a brass or bronze toothbrush and a small screwdriver.
Hi all, new to forum, as I just found it, but like what I see. What do people think about reloading kits like the Lee loaders. They're small and easy to use and carry, and everything you need is in a small box. For long term SHTF use they seem like they'd be a good idea, but no one ever mentions them.
Try looking through catalogs like cabelas, and also check out gall's.com. They have everything you need in medical and cop gear. Most of it is legal for the average joe.
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I agree on the lee load all kit is small simple and would work good for a pinch . just dont know about totin it and all my bullets powder and primers. would be good to have for just in case though. okiediver welcome to G+G! Sky or scuba?
you can go here and get any topo map for free, just download mapsource a free download, and you can print out your own maps or download them to your gps. GPSFileDepot - Garmin Compatible Custom Maps
Hi all, new to forum, as I just found it, but like what I see. What do people think about reloading kits like the Lee loaders. They're small and easy to use and carry, and everything you need is in a small box. For long term SHTF use they seem like they'd be a good idea, but no one ever mentions them.
I have one in .30-06, but even with all the components, it has yet to reload a single round (but I am sure if I needed to, it would make some fine reloads). I have really been wanting to get one for .38 special as I don't shoot many rounds but keep all the components. It sure would be handy to roll out a box or two for my emergency stash. My .38 fits nicely in a tote cooler with a few other niceties for a mini-BOB style getaway.
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St Andrews Fall, and okiediver72, [the Reloader is good] Welcome, and ke4sky thanks for the list, it reminded me of several things. I would add a quality folding shovel and a church key, a fire steel or magnesium stick and magnifying glass. Herbal teas will be good for coughs, colds, sinus, stomach, pain, etc. Two gallons of water. Dental floss. Snares. [large mouse traps]. Power and Granola bars. Foil packs of tuna. A normal pair of street clothes, Camo is good in the woods, but not in town. I use a 20yr old Forest Hemp 70 oz h2o bike bag for my stuff, a small pair of bonoculars and a radio. Dust masks. I have a solar cell unit for some power. Maps of the canals and large drainage tunnels out of town. I'm doing some hauling tail in the Jeep [with bike] down those exits paths. 12 GA under the fold down seats with 50. A .45 Day planner, with .223 .and 308. For every thing else, a Kayki vest and tactical pants. Two Contico boxes, [camping, blankets,] a Medium assault pack,[Molle], ammo bag, a winter clothes pack and a food pack. [Fieldlines]. My ultralight rod and fishing kit. Seeds. Great boots, period.
