One of my best friends and his wife called me yesterday and thanked me for waking him up to what's going on these days. He wanted to know what guns and ammo to get, which flipped me out, they only have a single shot bolt 410, so I instructed him to get a 12 GA and the proper defense ammo. He apologized for doubting me all these years. Seems his mother in law [60yrs old] sent them some info off of Alex's site and after watching it, they checked into it, and are convinced they need to prepare and arm up. As for pistols, I recommended the 9mm for him and a 38/357 revolver for her. I recommended places to buy food for storage. I told him to get on this site for more info. Thank you God!
we plant the seeds and eventually they grow to maturity and walla... people snap to it and understand there really is a problem with our society today... glad your friend came around to his sense's... and good for you to educate him on what he needs...
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Good to hear that people have the ability to learn (sometimes I doubt that)!
Well if they are new to shooting, I would always recommend a hunters safety/firearms training first and foremost; basic rules and regulations, plus the opportunity to try some guns to see what they prefer.
I do believe a 12 gauge pump action is a necessity - the .410 could be pressed into service as a backup as well. As for a handgun, that is very much preferential, but I agree to look at the 9mm service type pistols, and/or a .357/.38 revolver. If possible, they could agree on a caliber to simplify the supply chain and pick appropriate guns (even a combo like a glock 17 & 26, or ruger sp101 & gp100 for example).
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He just called and he has purchased a Mossberg 500 with an AR style stock, scope mounts parkerized finish and pump strap. At 369.00 he's set. I looked up the Mossberg 410 bolt action and informed him that he can put three shells in a one in the chamber. He wants to take it out when boating in Florida.
He has to wait three days. He thanked me, but I said all the credit goes to the knowledge I learned here.
Good to hear Deersniper glad he got something reliable... make sure he goes out and practices with it once he gets it and he gets some slugs and 00buck to feel the kick off a defense round and bird shot for general practice and knowledge of the shotgun... but you allready know that, you'll take care of 'em...
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The Mossberg 410 bolt action holds two shells down below and one in the chamber. He said three will fit but it doesn't cycle correctly, so I told him just put two downstairs and one in the chamber. It worked correctly then. That will be her gun, and being a bolt action, I told him don't be surprised if she can out shoot you. I also told him to take STEEL shot out on the boat, not lead, after three miles out you can use lead, but don't take the chance of being 2.5 miles out when some thing happens. [Florida] I'm going to ride him until he joins G&G.
I think it is important to keep a gun that they are familiar with during their 'introduction' to shooting - and a .410 is certainly not something many people would want to meet in a hallway!
Great choice for the Mossberg, the adjustable stock will likely be a plus since it can be sized to fit the both of them if need be. Get them used to scatterguns, then when they are ready, handguns will come along with their curiosity!
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the only time you need steel shot in Florida is when waterfowl huting. some federal wildlife refuges might require it too. unless he boats on a fresh water lake or river that is an area known for duck hunting or during duck season, I wouldn't go thru the expense of steel shot
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Thanks Blaster, I didn't know, so I said steel to keep him legal. He has NRA training. Florida still has common sense gun laws. He called me today, he is chomping at the bit, his day is Wed. I sent him the link to Rondog's one million frame per second ballistics video, to let him know what he will be holding and give him a view of our forum. He is going to take out some jelly fish, around their favorite camp spot. He's Doctor Bike in Tampa, a mobile bicycle service and a great friend. His wifes friend got murdered there two weeks ago and her phone is missing.
Over the past few years, what with pandemic flus and crime going up, people who used to make fun of me for being 'paranoid' are starting to come to me and say I was right all along.
As for your friend, I wouldn't recommend an autoloader to anybody unless they have a lot of training and experience with firearms. Even gun enthusiasts are bad about not cleaning them properly, letting magazines stay fully loaded too long, not changing springs, etc...
I would recommend revolvers.
In fact, if they allready have a .410 I would recommend they get a Judge in the same caliber and maybe a snubby revolver and a 3 or 4 inch .357 or .44 or .45 revolver.
Gun nuts tend to get caught up in this design over that design and yatta, yatta, yatta, but we forget the CARTRIDGE is what stops the gunfight. The gun is just the delivery system.
Which is why I carried a short barrelled Super Blackhawk for years as a CCW with perfect confidence.
Metronome, there was an article on a new .410 double-ought buckshot shotshell developed specifically as a personal defense round by Federal, the .410 Handgun Round, in the December 2009-January 2010 issue of Handguns. It is intended for use in the Taurus Judge, but the shell will fit a .410 shotgun.
It shoots four 62 grain lead pellets, and coming out of the Judge patterns at 4 inches at 30 feet. The pellets penetrate 10 to 12 inches in ballistic gelatin, and because of the absence of buffering compound in the shell, the pellets flatten when fired. The diameter can increase from .360 to as much as .400, which gives each .410 Handgun round two and a half times the impact area of a .45 ACP bullet, plus the creation of four distinct wound channels of the same diameter produced by a .38 caliber bullet.
Those were the results with a Taurus Judge. Patrick Sweeney, who wrote the article, suggests it would be even more potent in a shotgun. You might want to put your friend with the .410 bolt action onto this round for home defense.
Metronome, there was an article on a new .410 double-ought buckshot shotshell developed specifically as a personal defense round by Federal, the .410 Handgun Round, in the December 2009-January 2010 issue of Handguns. It is intended for use in the Taurus Judge, but the shell will fit a .410 shotgun.
It shoots four 62 grain lead pellets, and coming out of the Judge patterns at 4 inches at 30 feet. The pellets penetrate 10 to 12 inches in ballistic gelatin, and because of the absence of buffering compound in the shell, the pellets flatten when fired. The diameter can increase from .360 to as much as .400, which gives each .410 Handgun round two and a half times the impact area of a .45 ACP bullet, plus the creation of four distinct wound channels of the same diameter produced by a .38 caliber bullet.
Those were the results with a Taurus Judge. Patrick Sweeney, who wrote the article, suggests it would be even more potent in a shotgun. You might want to put your friend with the .410 bolt action onto this round for home defense.
i saw thoughs in my wal-mart down here... i was wondering about them, thanks for the reveiw Cyrano!!!
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Metronome, there was an article on a new .410 double-ought buckshot shotshell developed specifically as a personal defense round by Federal, the .410 Handgun Round, in the December 2009-January 2010 issue of Handguns. It is intended for use in the Taurus Judge, but the shell will fit a .410 shotgun.
It shoots four 62 grain lead pellets, and coming out of the Judge patterns at 4 inches at 30 feet. The pellets penetrate 10 to 12 inches in ballistic gelatin, and because of the absence of buffering compound in the shell, the pellets flatten when fired. The diameter can increase from .360 to as much as .400, which gives each .410 Handgun round two and a half times the impact area of a .45 ACP bullet, plus the creation of four distinct wound channels of the same diameter produced by a .38 caliber bullet.
Those were the results with a Taurus Judge. Patrick Sweeney, who wrote the article, suggests it would be even more potent in a shotgun. You might want to put your friend with the .410 bolt action onto this round for home defense.
I found some of the Winchester loads in Walmart too, but it is loaded to the 2 1/2 with 3 '000' buck - I have been dying to try it out of a borrowed Pardner single shot (OK, so it was commandeered, due to it being left in a damp horse trailer, and my brother isn't getting it back until he apologises to her!)
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One of my best friends and his wife called me yesterday and thanked me for waking him up to what's going on these days. He wanted to know what guns and ammo to get, which flipped me out, they only have a single shot bolt 410, so I instructed him to get a 12 GA and the proper defense ammo. He apologized for doubting me all these years. Seems his mother in law [60yrs old] sent them some info off of Alex's site and after watching it, they checked into it, and are convinced they need to prepare and arm up. As for pistols, I recommended the 9mm for him and a 38/357 revolver for her. I recommended places to buy food for storage. I told him to get on this site for more info. Thank you God!
Yeah, some folks have a hard time reeling up to reality and tend to stay in a state denial for too long. I've traveled that road with friends and family by being a 'silly old man'. It's good our frind can now see the light.
If he and his wife are unfamiliar with firearms you may want to recommend they take a certified safety course, and then accompany them ,if they want you to, while they shop for what they want. I would recommend a semi and a wheelgun for each of them.
Don't woory too much about keeping magazines loaded for extended periods. I fully loaded a .45 magazine when I left for Vietnam and it fuctioned normally when I returned 13 months later. I, also, have recently fired ammo from M1 carbine magazines that werefully loaded around 1995 that function normally 13 years later.
You must stress that firearms need to be cleaned on a regular basis if they are used on a regular basis...common sense there.
And to dispute a earlier raemark, it is shot placement that stops a firefight. Caliber is just a size. Of course bigger mass will accomplish the mission better but shot placement is the key.
I'm glad your friend woke up, now to get others to wake up.
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If he's taking it boating, he may wish to consider either a floating case...or having some sort of individual floatation device ON the rifle itself...like those inflatable wings they put on kid's arms.
Worst thing in the world is to drop yer protection in the water & watch it sink to the bottom.
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