[Paul T]

That Zpruter film gets cut the more times its aired....I had one of those Carcanos and I thought it was neat little rifle but there was an old Italian gun smith in Maine who called it the gun that never hurt any one. Accuracy was poor at best.
I also saw a history documentary on the same subject and they said autopsy never showed any 6.5 bullets but a couple of .308 instead. I dont know. I was 6 when it happened and lived 15 miles from Dealy. But I do remember all the helicopters and cops buzzing around the place where we lived.

[Cyrano]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jimkim

I always wondered how part of his brain landed on the trunk-lid if he was shot from behind.

Watch the History Channel special, jimkim. The producers explain the physics of it. Long story short: the third round shattered the skull, a piece of it went up, and the airflow dropped it on the trunk.

Jackie said in a deposition she gave on the assassination that when she crawled back on the trunk lid, she was not attempting at first to give a hand up to the Secret Service agent trying to clamber aboard the limo. She was in shock and was trying to recover her husband's skull, reasoning that the doctors would need it to put him back together at the hospital.

As far as the President falling backward, if memory serves at that point the limo driver had just floored the gas pedal. The acceleration threw Kennedy back in his seat and to his right. This was just before the third shot that blew JFK's head apart.

In light of the tests that the producers of that special performed in real time, not on a computer, I think there can no longer be any doubt that the White House Detail's worst nightmare happened that day: a lone gunman, working alone and confiding in no one, who was willing to die if that was what it took to achieve his goal, shot and killed the President. No mythical "second gunman;" no machine gunner in the storm drain; no rifleman on the grassy knoll who somehow avoided detection by the crowds who had come to see Kennedy drive past. Just one lone nutjob who could shoot very, very straight, firing from a place they never suspected.

End of story.

[Burke]

I have a Carcano similiar to LHO's..no way 3 shots in that short time..

[ArkansasHunter]

Others were in on it...A.H

[deadzero]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

Watch the History Channel special, jimkim. The producers explain the physics of it. Long story short: the third round shattered the skull, a piece of it went up, and the airflow dropped it on the trunk. End of story.

at a 5 mph roll, come on now.....

[deadzero]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

As far as the President falling backward, if memory serves at that point the limo driver had just floored the gas pedal. The acceleration threw Kennedy back in his seat and to his right. This was just before the third shot that blew JFK's head apart. End of story.

he was thrown backward as his head erupted. the blood spay occured first and his head was thrown back and to the left. that places bullet coming from the front and to the right.

[river]

The only thing I know, is that it was possible to fire all the shots in the time alloted with a snapshot. Have seen it done many times with the same rifle. And as we all know Marines are deadly or used to be out to a quartermile.
River

[TXplt]

In Dallas (which is in the former book depository) is not far from where I live and I've visited it on occasion.

The shots taken toward the underpass were from a moving receeding target but it was moving in range and not so much in azmuth (which would have complicated the shot).

I believe it extremely unlikely he could have made 2 out of 3 hits with the bolt action mannlicher in the time they were made. But NOT impossible. The consensus between most experienced shooters I know after direct observation is that any of us probably couldn't have made the shots with the rifle in the time frame they occurred and score 2 relatively precise hits. But none of us would rule out the fact it was possible albeit unlikely. Oswald was supposedly a marksman at one time; although one would wonder why he chose the rifle he did for the task if he was indeed familiar with firearms and going to do a crime with such extreme repercussions (and one where he would likely be caught and put to death or imprisoned for life).

Guess that's why it's a conspiracy theory.

[rimfirenut]

We little people will never know....

[Cyrano]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TXplt

The shots taken toward the underpass were from a moving receeding target but it was moving in range and not so much in azmuth (which would have complicated the shot). I believe it extremely unlikely he could have made 2 out of 3 hits with the bolt action mannlicher in the time they were made. But NOT impossible.

When the Warren Commission investigated the rifle, the FBI marksmen were able to get off three aimed rounds in the same time Oswald did. So did the retired British sniper The History Channel hired.

[Capt'n Mil Coll]

I dont watch tv so dont have a clue what History Channel had to say about it.
I do know there is more to Oswald than most say. It is known he met Ruby. It is known he went to Cuba shortly before the assissnation. It seems he had contact with known CIA agents. He was a very accomplished sharpshooter. It seems so strange that most of the people connected to this died or were killed.

[jmp8927]

^CIA tying up loose ends. It's not a stretch to believe the CIA would do something like that. They're the equivalent of the former KGB, just in a different country.

[SightNSqueeze]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

When the Warren Commission investigated the rifle, the FBI marksmen were able to get off three aimed rounds in the same time Oswald did. So did the retired British sniper The History Channel hired.

Agreed. It was proven that a good marksman familiar with a manually repeating bolt action rifle could accurately fire the three shots in the amount of time that President Kennedy was repeatedly hit. I knew a man who could do much the same with a .30-06 ’03 Springfield Armory sporter which kicked a lot harder than a Carcano. He hit what he aimed at too. People tend to judge what is possible based only on their own capabilities. I guess some people still accept Oliver Stone’s hare-brained claim that the CIA or the FBI hired the “elite hit team,” armed with surplus Carcano rifles no less, that took out Kennedy. I guess somebody had to stuff money in Oliver Stone’s bank account and buy him the mansion on the hill …

[heilung]

I liked the story in Mortal Error by Bonar Menninger. The first two shots were Oswalds, the following car lurched, the secret service AR 15 went off, and got JFK with a small caliber high velocity bullet, as shown in some autopsy pictures.
Heilung

[Ninja Piper]

I have put a lot of thought and research into this argument. Using the same Socratic method and reasoning that the Nobel Prize committee used to determine this year's winner, I have deduced that there were no less than 27 shooters, all sharing 7 rifles, 2 handguns, a crossbow, and what we think could have been a blowgun, or a straw with rolled up paper towel.

Once you can prove that Obama DESERVES the prize beyond a reasonable doubt, only then can you discount this theory. You've been scienced!

[.22hustler]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jmp8927

I did a little researching and apparently the 1st one to hit him came from behind. This is his shirt.

Looks alot like my shirt after a bout with a full plate of spaghetti.

[nostraboys]

Check this out!

YouTube - JFK assassination: Secret Service Standdown

YouTube - JFK assassination: Secret Service Standdown

[BudW]

Quote:       Originally Posted by heilung

i liked the story in mortal error by bonar menninger. The first two shots were oswalds, the following car lurched, the secret service m16 went off, and got jfk with a small caliber high velocity bullet, as shown in some autopsy pictures. Heilung

no m16 in 1963

[captsquirrel]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

yep and his best buddy is elvis who is impersonating an elvis impersonator.

Bubba Ho-Tep is a classic. Gotta love Bruce Campbell.

[homerfire232]

The History Channel and others have duplicated ONE shot, the head shot, thats it. If you want to really prove it was one shooter, duplicate the entire shooting. To me, that is the whole case. I'm a pretty good shot with a rifle, but there is no way I could get three shots off in 6.2 seconds with that rifle, and hit 2 of 3 including a head shot at what 88 yards, and a moving target. I doubt many could do that, let alone a dork like Oswald.

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

No, AH, is is NOT obvious. In fact, it has been conclusively proven that it was a single shooter. The History Channel spent a great deal of money to recreate the heights , angles, wind speed, airflow across the car, and distances as shown in the Zapruder Film. A retired British sniper was retained to do the shooting. An incredibly expensive mannequin with a head that exactly duplicates human skin, bone and gray matter was put in the same position Kennedy was in when he was shot, again according to the Zapruder Film. Everything was as close to identical with November 22, 1963 as computer simulation information extracted from data from the film could recreate it. The test was run twice: once with a current, state-of-the-art sniper rifle; and again with the same model Carcano Oswald used, with the same model of scope and the same type of ammunition. The result was the same on both runs. The mannequin's head exploded and bits of 'skull' and 'gray matter' splattered and landed as they did according to the Zapruder Film and Secret Service reports. The History Channel further tested the common consipracy theories about the fictional "second shooter." To recap, one theory is that there was a shooter with a rifle on the grassy knoll before the overpass past Dealey Square. Another is that there was a shooter with a submachine gun in a particular storm drain. They persuaded the police to close the streets at the Texas Book Depository and simulated shooting at a near duplicate of Kennedy's Lincoln Continental. Neither 'second shooter' scenario matched up with the Zapruder Film or with the autopsy report. Further, there was no sign in 1963 that there was a second shooter at either location. As the Mythbusters would say, "This one is busted." There's no doubt in the minds of those who look rationally at the evidence. The bullets match the Carcan's rifling. A military FMJ round, unlike a softpoint or hollowpoint hunting round, will pass through soft tissues relatively intact, which explains the 'superbullet' that hit both Kennedy and Connally. The realtime tests produced the same results as occured on the day. I really don't think there can be any doubt any longer. Kennedy was assassinated by a single shooter who used a scoped Italian Carcano bolt action to perform the shooting.