[homerfire232]

Quote:       Originally Posted by nostraboys

There were at least two gunman. One confessed from inside prison. He claimed he used a Remmington Fireball. This gun was used behind the picket fence. http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/XP_100.jpg This weapon did come out prior to the assasination. Watch JFK's head, it is thrown back and to the left. I have been shooting for over 20 years and have never known a target to come back toward the bullet. The energy pushes it does not pull. Try and push someone. Does that person fall toward the push? NO! Absurd! JFK MURDER SOLVED

There is a matter of inertia sp? The bullet struck JFK on the right ocipital area of the skull, because the skull is round and very hard, it sort of took a chunk of brain and skull from the ocipital area to the temporal area most likely flying of in the direction of the grassy knoll. The force of the blow sent his body downward slightly then left and back. Alot of the backward movement is also due to the bodys muscles tensing.

[Cyrano]

Quote:       Originally Posted by SightNSqueeze

I guess some people still accept Oliver Stone’s hare-brained claim that the CIA or the FBI hired the “elite hit team,” armed with surplus Carcano rifles no less, that took out Kennedy.

You are so right, SnS. If it were the FBI or the CIA setting up the mythical hit on Kennedy, do you think they'd have been so stupid as to pick a scoped Carcano as the rifle to use?

To the conspiracy buffs: Find yourself a copy of The American Rifleman from 1963. Go to the inside back cover. Klein's Sporting Goods in Texas always bought that ad space. What they put in it was rifles and pistols they were selling. Most were military surplus. They had Springfields, M-1917s, Enfields of various marks, CETMEs (from time to time), Belgian FN-49s, assorted Mausers, and even the occasional Garand or M-1 Carbine in addition to the Carcanos.

None of them was horrendously expensive even by the pay standards of the day. In the worst case (for the semi-autos) it might take a week's pay to buy one. But there was this difference: practically none of them came with optics. The Carcano was about the only one that did in that place and time.

The Carcano was being outfitted with inexpensive rifle scopes and marketed to hunters who wanted a cheap brush gun that would take deer and be usable on varmints too. Oswald did not have a lot of money. Thus, he chose the one readily available weapon that came with a scope he could buy through the mail back then (ah, those were the days...) that would not require him to visit a gunsmith, buy a scope and have the scope mounted.

Don't you think if it was either the CIA or the FBI setting this up, that they would have gotten him a better rifle to use for the hit? Even in 1963, the Carcano was not regarded as a spectacularly accurate rifle, the way that National Match Springfields, scoped pre-war Mausers, the M1C Garand or the M1903A4 sniper rifles were. There were enough of any of these out there in the civilian market that Oswald's use of one would be unremarkable and government involvement deniable.

This is in my opinion yet another datum that points toward Oswald acting alone, rather than as a master assassin backed by any government's agency of any sort. When you care enough to end the very best, your delivery system is NOT going to be a cheap hunk of junk like the Carcano!

[Rambo]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

You are so right, SnS. If it were the FBI or the CIA setting up the mythical hit on Kennedy, do you think they'd have been so stupid as to pick a scoped Carcano as the rifle to use? To the conspiracy buffs: Find yourself a copy of The American Rifleman from 1963. Go to the inside back cover. Klein's Sporting Goods in Texas always bought that ad space. What they put in it was rifles and pistols they were selling. Most were military surplus. They had Springfields, M-1917s, Enfields of various marks, CETMEs (from time to time), Belgian FN-49s, assorted Mausers, and even the occasional Garand or M-1 Carbine in addition to the Carcanos. None of them was horrendously expensive even by the pay standards of the day. In the worst case (for the semi-autos) it might take a week's pay to buy one. But there was this difference: practically none of them came with optics. The Carcano was about the only one that did in that place and time. The Carcano was being outfitted with inexpensive rifle scopes and marketed to hunters who wanted a cheap brush gun that would take deer and be usable on varmints too. Oswald did not have a lot of money. Thus, he chose the one readily available weapon that came with a scope he could buy through the mail back then (ah, those were the days...) that would not require him to visit a gunsmith, buy a scope and have the scope mounted. Don't you think if it was either the CIA or the FBI setting this up, that they would have gotten him a better rifle to use for the hit? Even in 1963, the Carcano was not regarded as a spectacularly accurate rifle, the way that National Match Springfields, scoped pre-war Mausers, the M1C Garand or the M1903A4 sniper rifles were. There were enough of any of these out there in the civilian market that Oswald's use of one would be unremarkable and government involvement deniable. This is in my opinion yet another datum that points toward Oswald acting alone, rather than as a master assassin backed by any government's agency of any sort. When you care enough to end the very best, your delivery system is NOT going to be a cheap hunk of junk like the Carcano!

Precisely!

[Shootester]

YouTube - Beyond Conspiracy - Kennedy Assassination part 1

YouTube - Beyond Conspiracy - Kennedy Assassination part 1

This is a good watch. It is 11 parts though.

[sea_chicken1]

I belive it was 3. and due to events after the shooting it is obviouse Oswald was a fall guy. The guy that shot Reagan in the ass never got assassinated. It doesent matter if Oswald had a cheap rifle he wasent going to need it. He could have planned to shoot the pres all along and whoever really killed kennedy used him as their scape goat with him not even knowing. Knobody knows for sure thats what makes it a conspiracy.

[Chris61289]

I believe it was Oswald, and Oswald himself who shot Kennedy.

[Attached below is frames 312-313 of the Zapruder film showing President Kennedy's head being struck from behind and to the right]

The following paragraphs are about the notion of Kennedy's head "snapping back" and tries to disprove the theory of another shooter beside Oswald.

The complex motion can be viewed as containing three components. The first is Mrs. Kennedy's, in which she pulls, no doubt reflexively, away from her husband's exploding head by recoiling backward (while straightening up) and to her left.

The second is of Mr. Kennedy's right arm and shoulder, which lift upward as his trunk rotates counterclockwise (leftward) about his hip, while his upper torso is moving backward and to his left. This motion continues until his left arm appears to hit the rear seat in about 319, after which he bounces forward.

Third is his head, which moves back steadily from 313 to about 320 or 321 (one or two frames after his torso has begun to move forward), all the while rotating counterclockwise faster than his upper torso, until by about 321 we are given a nearly direct view of the rear of his head, which incidentally shows no evidence of the massive blowout so often claimed from the reports of the Parkland mediacal personnel. The visible damage is clearly to the right occipitoparietal area of the head, or very roughly in the upper part of the right rear half of the head (just where the autopsy physicians placed it). In no way is the damage centered in the rear of the head [as some conspiracy-oriented researchers claim].

The key point here is that this complex rearward movement is not compatible with a direct hit of a bullet from the right front. The head does not snap backward rapidly the way it snapped forward, even though it was perfectly free to do so. Rather the head starts moving backward slowly and gains momentum over several frames. There is no cloud of brain matter to the rear as there was to the front. There is no damage to the left hemisphere of his brain, as there would have to be with a hit from the right. There is no cone of tiny fragments going from right to left in the brain, and no exit wound on the left side.

No, the rearward motion was of JFK's entire upper torso, with the head just moving along with the neck. It is a vicious recoil of sorts from the exploding right side of his head. Such a movement could have been caused by a mechanical recoil from the particles that exploded frontward out of his head (the so-called "jet-effect" ), by some sort of neurological reaction(sometimes called a "neuromuscular spasm"), or a combination of both. The available data strongly suggest that it was indeed a combination of effects, whose detailed contributions will probably never be known with certainty.


My take on this is that Oswald acted alone.

[Bigfoot]

No matter how many times i've seen the footage of this assasination, i still find it difficult to believe one person, shooting out a window on a public street, at a moving target through a scope and crosshairs, first of all, wasn't immediately located by sound alone, secondly, was good enough to pinpoint a moving head in a car, and most of all, left the gun to be found so easily. Everything about the events of this terrible tragety contradicts logical thinking, that is why, i believe, he must have acted alone. Too big a chance would have been taken for any logically thinking covert conspiracy, the stakes were simply too high. Simply a lunatick gone wild. Either that or he was one really stupid scapegoat.