JFK Assassination One Rifle or two?

Capt'n Mil Coll · 10-08-2009, 06:25 PM

A company took the original Zapruder film of the John F Kennedy assassination and made frame by frame copies of the film. This shows not only the original film but the images between the sprocket holes as well. It also was digitalized so it can be studied and shown over and over without damage to the original film.

There were three copies of the original 8mm film made. The CIA got two copies never to be seen again. Abe Zapruder kept his original one. He sold the rights to LIFE magazine and they then had possission of the Zapruder copy. LIFE eventually returned the copy to the family of Abraham Zapruder.

Somehow the film got damaged according to the LIFE staff and a part of the film was taken out and spliced together. This part would have been where the first two shots were fired. Just before the car goes behind the Highway sign. And just after it come back into view.

The first shot is generally thought to have missed and hit the curb on the other side of the street. The CIA later came out and cut that part of the curb out and took it away. Also never to be seen again. Kennedy hears something and stops waving.

The second shot goes through Kennedys throat. You see him clutching at it after comming back into view from behind the highway sign.

The third shot you can see for yourself.

So a small portion of the video remake is on Youtube here.

WARNING this is the acutal footage of Kennedy getting shot.
It is very disturbing,

YouTube - Hi quality footage of JFK Assassination

The real question is...One rifle or two?????

Was he shot both times from behind like they say?
Or was the last shot from the front like others believe?

DWFan · 10-08-2009, 06:48 PM

I'd like an honest answer from the combat vets and hunters on this forum who have used solid, non-expanding bullets in their weapons. Has anyone ever seen the kind of explosive damage the one shot to Kennedy's head does? I'm not trying to start a conflict here, but as a handgun hunter, I'd like to know....ideally from someone who has used a weapon and ammo similar to what Oswald used.

Archetype_wyo · 10-08-2009, 06:55 PM

I dunno it looks like he was shot in the chest and then again in the side of the head. To me it could have only come from the front and the side. Front being as the shot was from the front at first and then from broadside(thin side on people). I'm gonna go for 1 rifle. If there was a second...who knows.

Archetype_wyo · 10-08-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DWFan

I'd like an honest answer from the combat vets and hunters on this forum who have used solid, non-expanding bullets in their weapons. Has anyone ever seen the kind of explosive damage the one shot to Kennedy's head does? I'm not trying to start a conflict here, but as a handgun hunter, I'd like to know....ideally from someone who has used a weapon and ammo similar to what Oswald used.

Well lets first look at the weapon used. An Italian Carcano...

ArkansasHunter · 10-08-2009, 06:57 PM

It's ovious now there was a second shooter.

BudW · 10-08-2009, 06:58 PM

jmp8927 · 10-08-2009, 07:37 PM

I think it was 2 or maybe even three. First shot does look like an upper chest shot. That would have to come from the side. The 2nd shot, based on the front right side of his head being blown off, I'd say was shot from behind and to the left of him. Doesn't seem like a shot from the front would blow the front of his head off. It would have been the back. So yeah. 2 shooters. And I don't think the CIA taking 2 copies and never letting anyone see them is a coincidence. I don't trust the CIA at all.

BenchRest · 10-08-2009, 07:43 PM

Ya reckon Billy dun it?

jmp8927 · 10-08-2009, 07:46 PM

I did a little researching and apparently the 1st one to hit him came from behind. This is his shirt.

Cyrano · 10-08-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

It's ovious now there was a second shooter.

No, AH, is is NOT obvious. In fact, it has been conclusively proven that it was a single shooter.

The History Channel spent a great deal of money to recreate the heights , angles, wind speed, airflow across the car, and distances as shown in the Zapruder Film. A retired British sniper was retained to do the shooting. An incredibly expensive mannequin with a head that exactly duplicates human skin, bone and gray matter was put in the same position Kennedy was in when he was shot, again according to the Zapruder Film. Everything was as close to identical with November 22, 1963 as computer simulation information extracted from data from the film could recreate it.

The test was run twice: once with a current, state-of-the-art sniper rifle; and again with the same model Carcano Oswald used, with the same model of scope and the same type of ammunition. The result was the same on both runs. The mannequin's head exploded and bits of 'skull' and 'gray matter' splattered and landed as they did according to the Zapruder Film and Secret Service reports.

The History Channel further tested the common consipracy theories about the fictional "second shooter." To recap, one theory is that there was a shooter with a rifle on the grassy knoll before the overpass past Dealey Square. Another is that there was a shooter with a submachine gun in a particular storm drain. They persuaded the police to close the streets at the Texas Book Depository and simulated shooting at a near duplicate of Kennedy's Lincoln Continental. Neither 'second shooter' scenario matched up with the Zapruder Film or with the autopsy report. Further, there was no sign in 1963 that there was a second shooter at either location. As the Mythbusters would say, "This one is busted."

There's no doubt in the minds of those who look rationally at the evidence. The bullets match the Carcan's rifling. A military FMJ round, unlike a softpoint or hollowpoint hunting round, will pass through soft tissues relatively intact, which explains the 'superbullet' that hit both Kennedy and Connally. The realtime tests produced the same results as occured on the day.

I really don't think there can be any doubt any longer. Kennedy was assassinated by a single shooter who used a scoped Italian Carcano bolt action to perform the shooting.

billy · 10-08-2009, 08:48 PM

3 shooters
the 3rd was a secret service agent.
It was in all the papers

ArkansasHunter · 10-08-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyrano

No, AH, is is NOT obvious. In fact, it has been conclusively proven that it was a single shooter.

The History Channel spent a great deal of money to recreate the heights , angles, wind speed, airflow across the car, and distances as shown in the Zapruder Film. A retired British sniper was retained to do the shooting. An incredibly expensive mannequin with a head that exactly duplicates human skin, bone and gray matter was put in the same position Kennedy was in when he was shot, again according to the Zapruder Film. Everything was as close to identical with November 22, 1963 as computer simulation information extracted from data from the film could recreate it.

The test was run twice: once with a current, state-of-the-art sniper rifle; and again with the same model Carcano Oswald used, with the same model of scope and the same type of ammunition. The result was the same on both runs. The mannequin's head exploded and bits of 'skull' and 'gray matter' splattered and landed as they did according to the Zapruder Film and Secret Service reports.

The History Channel further tested the common consipracy theories about the fictional "second shooter." To recap, one theory is that there was a shooter with a rifle on the grassy knoll before the overpass past Dealey Square. Another is that there was a shooter with a submachine gun in a particular storm drain. They persuaded the police to close the streets at the Texas Book Depository and simulated shooting at a near duplicate of Kennedy's Lincoln Continental. Neither 'second shooter' scenario matched up with the Zapruder Film or with the autopsy report. Further, there was no sign in 1963 that there was a second shooter at either location. As the Mythbusters would say, "This one is busted."

There's no doubt in the minds of those who look rationally at the evidence. The bullets match the Carcan's rifling. A military FMJ round, unlike a softpoint or hollowpoint hunting round, will pass through soft tissues relatively intact, which explains the 'superbullet' that hit both Kennedy and Connally. The realtime tests produced the same results as occured on the day.

I really don't think there can be any doubt any longer. Kennedy was assassinated by a single shooter who used a scoped Italian Carcano bolt action to perform the shooting.

Believe what you want to, I sure don't give a care.

PAPA G · 10-09-2009, 12:04 AM

here we go again, 46 year old consiracy...again.

whats done is done, if any one else was involved they are dead. whats the point??? noting will change.

big boomer · 10-09-2009, 12:38 AM

It was 3 shooters they were mafia men brought up through Mexico 1 week before Ken. got there there was 2 behind and 1 in front they were paid off in drugs and 1 was killed in the 1970's in a drug deal in Mexico the other 2 are in France. I used to know the dead ones name but have forgotten it. This is my story you can believe what you want.

Deersniper · 10-09-2009, 12:56 AM

Some of the videos indicates a shot could of come from a storm drain near by. Check it out.
Quotes from JFK:
The high office of the president has been used to foment a plot to destroy America's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizens of this plight. JFK in a speech made to Columbia university on November 12 th1963 ten days before his assassination.
JFK's Executive order; 11110 to abolish the federal reserve and print our own money again.
The federal reserve, the very same people who have destroyed the dollar's value and have brought this recent money crisis upon us to drop us into the waiting hands of the IMF. JFK tried to warn us. It wasn't about Cuba, it was about keeping the U.S in control of the Federal Reserve, the true culprits.
Follow the money trail. Check out the storm drain.

DWARREN123 · 10-09-2009, 01:47 AM

THE BIGGEST REASON THIS IS STILL BEING DISCUSSED IS BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL THE TRUTH!
People stiil don't trust the government and many expect anything that comes from the government to be B.S.!

Fokker · 10-09-2009, 02:05 AM

JFK is still alive. He's living in an East Texas rest home disguised as a black man.

billy · 10-09-2009, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fokker

JFK is still alive. He's living in an East Texas rest home disguised as a black man.

yep
and his best buddy is elvis who is impersonating an elvis impersonator.

jmp8927 · 10-09-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DWARREN123

THE BIGGEST REASON THIS IS STILL BEING DISCUSSED IS BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL THE TRUTH!
People stiil don't trust the government and many expect anything that comes from the government to be B.S.!

That would be because 95% of it is BS.

.22hustler · 10-09-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DWARREN123

THE BIGGEST REASON THIS IS STILL BEING DISCUSSED IS BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL THE TRUTH!
People stiil don't trust the government and many expect anything that comes from the government to be B.S.!

Ya think???