11-14-2009, 11:04 PM
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#21 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by WLew  | I've got a Savage model 10 predator in 22-250 and love it. It's lighter and balances better than the 26" guns and shoots just as good, .152" groups at 100 yards with my reloads which are 50 grain Ballistic tips running 3840fps. | Yepper,I'm right with you!I get almost that good!(but I only shoot 1shot groups)(and I'm telling the facts) ,,,sam.
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11-15-2009, 11:51 AM
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#22 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by WLew | I've got a Savage model 10 predator in 22-250 and love it. It's lighter and balances better than the 26" guns and shoots just as good, .152" groups at 100 yards with my reloads which are 50 grain Ballistic tips running 3840fps. | Boy, that"s great shooting what scope are you using?
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12-10-2009, 07:30 PM
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#23 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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22-250 Savage 12fv heavy barrel with a Zeiss 6.5x24x54 Rapid Z-Varmint on top. Turns dogs RED out to 400+ yards no problem.
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12-10-2009, 08:47 PM
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#24 | | Firearm Aficionado
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you can't go wrong with any major manufacturer cause they have all been in business for a very long time for a reason. just buy one that fits your budget and feels comfortable to shoot.
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12-11-2009, 05:15 PM
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#25 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by WLew | I've got a Savage model 10 predator in 22-250 and love it. It's lighter and balances better than the 26" guns and shoots just as good, .152" groups at 100 yards with my reloads which are 50 grain Ballistic tips running 3840fps. | I have question, how do you get a .152 group if you're shooting .224 caliber? Maybe I'm missing something. I guess if you measure center hole to center hole , you could do that. But I measure my groups from outside of hole to outside of far hole, much more accuate ,and that's all I do. Maybe that's why my best group I ever shot was only .821 @ 200 yards with my 22-250. That comes out to .597 I think if you do the math. Hm,that's not too bad..
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12-11-2009, 06:33 PM
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#26 | | Firearm Zealot
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Are you arguing with yourself privately or can anybody join in?Well you reached a decision,thats good.I trust your figures and thats more than I can do with some. ,,,sam.
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12-11-2009, 06:39 PM
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#27 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Don't you measure outside to outside and subtract the size of the round to get your group size. I've never gotten that precise yet.
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12-11-2009, 06:50 PM
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#28 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by MLN1963 | Don't you measure outside to outside and subtract the size of the round to get your group size. I've never gotten that precise yet. | I guess that's how you do it.. And Sam, no one is arguing, just trying to figure out how different people do different things.
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Reason: missed spelling,,
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12-13-2009, 03:06 AM
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#29 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by Garfman | I guess that's how you do it.. And Sam, no one is arguing, just trying to figure out how different people do different things. | MLN1963's method is the correct way to do it. you just been doing it wrong all this time.  | |
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12-13-2009, 06:07 AM
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#30 | | Firearm Zealot
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The most common and accepted way is measure center to center and no math.(subtracting bullet dia.)The reason you shouldn't go outside to outside is most holes in targets are undersize,(in other words,not as big as bullet diammeter)giving you a false reading making the outside to outside measurement smaller than it really is or a center to center reading.The size of the hole will vary depending upon the texture of the paper. ,,,sam.
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12-13-2009, 10:19 AM
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#31 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by samuel | The most common and accepted way is measure center to center and no math.(subtracting bullet dia.)The reason you shouldn't go outside to outside is most holes in targets are undersize,(in other words,not as big as bullet diammeter)giving you a false reading making the outside to outside measurement smaller than it really is or a center to center reading.The size of the hole will vary depending upon the texture of the paper. ,,,sam. | That makes sense to me, Guess I 've been doing wrong. Garf.
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12-13-2009, 12:00 PM
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#32 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Both methods have their problems. The way I mentioned is flawed as Sam said if not using wad, or semi-wad cutters. Of course you don't use them with rifles. The problem with the way Sam mentions is that human error is possible in determining an absolutely perfect center in both holes.
Whatever method you use if you stay consistent in your ways you will be close enough. You will know if your groups are getting tighter or not. If you are shooting a big competition someone will be scoring it for you and you will be told what it is.
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12-13-2009, 02:07 PM
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I can't get over how very,very stupid I have become!!! ,,,sam.
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12-13-2009, 02:53 PM
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#34 | | Firearm Aficionado
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There was no disrespect intended or implied Sam. Sorry if you thought so.
Your method is better.
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12-13-2009, 06:32 PM
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#35 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by samuel | I can't get over how very,very stupid I have become!!! ,,,sam. | AWWW Don't beat yerself up Sam. 
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12-14-2009, 08:28 PM
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#36 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by WLew | I've got a Savage model 10 predator in 22-250 and love it. It's lighter and balances better than the 26" guns and shoots just as good, .152" groups at 100 yards with my reloads which are 50 grain Ballistic tips running 3840fps. | this is quickly becoming my best factory rifle that i have ever owned  | |
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