View Poll Results: Blackpowder or smokeless cartridge for shtf
Black Powder 12 40.00%
Smokeless 18 60.00%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-09-2009, 06:57 PM   #1
Firearm Aficionado
 
Todd Bayliss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 591
black powder or smokeless for shtf

In preparing for a shtf scenario in which there was no powder commercially available would you opt for a black powder cartridge (44-40,45-70,45LC, etc) or a smokeless only cartridge such as 30-06,.308, or .223 . Remember you will have to make your own powder either way.
__________________
"Victim Selection Error"- Available at Amazon.com
http://www.mtoddbayliss.com
Todd Bayliss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 07:34 PM   #2
Firearm Zealot
 
larmus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: arizona
Posts: 4,114
You forgot the "neither" option, for those who neither reload nor shoot BP guns... like me... LOL!

its a good concept, since i really dont know either way, but i think if you would have to go the route of making your own... i would make other weapons and use more traps or other devices to catch food...
__________________
12-21-2012: Party like theres no tomorrow!!!
larmus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 08:07 PM   #3
Firearm Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 56
Yea, if it got that bad it would indeed be time for alternative deices.
ALquadahunter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 09:00 PM   #4
Firearm Zealot
 
R5CYA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia
Posts: 5,541
since i don't know how to make either and would probably have a hard time getting the needed supplies to make it if i did, i think i'd use a bow.
__________________
Badges? We got no badges! i aint gotta show you no stinking badges!
R5CYA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 09:03 PM   #5
Firearm Aficionado
 
tappedandtagged's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Southwest Arkansas
Posts: 1,000
Bow and traps... But, if I was going to make powder for a firearm, I'd go for BP. More room for error.
tappedandtagged is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 09:48 PM   #6
Firearm Enthusiast
 
bearcreek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Northeast Ohio
Posts: 42
Im not real knowledgeable about this subject, but, I thought you could use black powder in pretty much any caliber. I know it doesn't work well or at all in semi autos, but in manual feed firearms I thought it worked but just gunked them up faster. Are there certain one's you can't use it in for some reason?
bearcreek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2009, 01:58 AM   #7
Firearm Zealot
 
sea_chicken1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Everett WA. and Norfolk VA.
Posts: 1,973
44-40 is pretty effective bp medicine.
sea_chicken1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2009, 11:07 PM   #8
Firearm Zealot
 
thrillbilly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Ozark Hill Country, U.S.A.
Posts: 4,865
If I was in a situation that long...I'd rely on spears, bows, and clubs before I'd try to make powder. I don't know how and don't want to lose fingers figuring it out.

A argument against using BP (unless you have to) is the same reason people were happy to exchange BP for smokeless...the SMOKE! LOL The smokecloud off a BP round is highly visible to enemies...if there is more then one opponet, the others can quickly zero in on your position.

I think a ML and a supply of BP would be nice to have though...keep the cartridges saved for serious business and use the ML/BP for hunting.
__________________
I'm here for a good time, to h*ll with the red wine, pour me some moonshine!
thrillbilly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2009, 11:17 PM   #9
Firearm Zealot
 
338RUM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Cumberland, MD
Posts: 3,227
Blog Entries: 1
it is relatively easy to make BP so if I had to BP is my choice.
__________________
It isn't FT-LBS that kill, it's broken body parts!
338RUM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2009, 11:31 PM   #10
Firearm Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 368
i'm all for the holy black. charcoal sulfur and saltpeter and you're good to go. you can't get concentrated nitric acid from the great out doors nor can you make those handy powder burn rate buffers yourself.
wcassidy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2009, 07:42 AM   #11
Firearm Enthusiast
 
Roper1911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: I hear banjos and smell gun smoke.
Posts: 169
You need Sulfuric acid, nitric acid, cotton, and a glass bowl to make a crude smokeless powder.

You need Charcoal, Sulfur, saltpeter, and a ball-mill to make Blackpowder.
I've heard 3-2-2 is a good mix for BP, once again- the ball-mill is the key.
It can be a coffee-can spun by hand with marbles in it, or a fancy store bought $3000 one that runs by a 2-cycle motor.
__________________
I like 1911s, why? how many Nazis has your glock killed?

Last edited by Roper1911; 10-11-2009 at 07:49 AM.
Roper1911 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2009, 07:55 AM   #12
Firearm Zealot
 
deadzero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: deep in the swamps SC
Posts: 2,520
Black powder

and have a flintlock at the back of the safe behind all those inlines and other guns you may not have primers for
__________________


If I need more than 1 shot, I need more practice.
deadzero is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2009, 12:27 PM   #13
Firearm Zealot
 
R5CYA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia
Posts: 5,541
Quote:       Originally Posted by deadzero View Post
Black powder

and have a flintlock at the back of the safe behind all those inlines and other guns you may not have primers for
__________________
Badges? We got no badges! i aint gotta show you no stinking badges!
R5CYA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2009, 02:20 PM   #14
Firearm Zealot
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: N. Texas
Posts: 4,244
Blog Entries: 33
How To Make Smokeless Gunpowder:
This is a simple way to make smokeless gunpowder.
1.Boil cotton for 30 minutes, in a 2 percent solution of sodium
hydroxide.
2.Wash the cotton in hot water and allow it to dry.
3.Mix slowly and carefully at 25 degrees Centigrade, 250 cc. of
concentrated sulfuric acid, 150 cc. of concentrated nitric acid, and 20 cc of
water. They must be kept at 25 degrees C.
4.Next place the dried cotton in the acid solution, and stir well with
either a glass or porcelain rod (do not use metal). This should be done for 35
minutes.
5.After nitration, the acids are washed away, and the cotton is washed
in boiling water five times, each time for 25 minutes. The cotton is given
several tests with litmus paper. If litmus test proves that there is still
some acid present, a 2 percent solution of sodium bicarbonate should
neutralize whatever is left. This is important, since any remaining acid acts
as an impurity to make the explosive more unstable.
DWFan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2009, 07:16 PM   #15
Firearm Zealot
 
larmus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: arizona
Posts: 4,114
UH... ya what he said...lol!
__________________
12-21-2012: Party like theres no tomorrow!!!
larmus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2009, 11:04 PM   #16
Firearm Aficionado
 
Metronome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Northern California
Posts: 981
I have no idea what a 'centigrade' is...

Given that I don't have reloading equipment, I will go for BP. All the reloading I need involves pouring the powder into a tube - which I am generally capable of doing with orangutan like skill.
__________________
I take my coffee how I take my women: bitter and overbearing.
Metronome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2009, 11:36 PM   #17
Firearm Zealot
 
rebel727's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Heidelberg, Mississippi
Posts: 2,666
Black powder in a rock lock. Where ya gonna get caps?
rebel727 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2009, 02:47 AM   #18
Firearm Aficionado
 
Metronome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Northern California
Posts: 981
Quote:       Originally Posted by rebel727 View Post
Black powder in a rock lock. Where ya gonna get caps?
Who needs caps, I'd use cannon fuse in my gonne!
__________________
I take my coffee how I take my women: bitter and overbearing.
Metronome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2009, 09:58 AM   #19
Firearm Enthusiast
 
river's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: the green hills of Kentucky
Posts: 10
bp if it came down to it. but around 20,000 rounds stored for shtf should last at least 10 years.
River
river is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2009, 09:59 AM   #20
Firearm Enthusiast
 
river's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: the green hills of Kentucky
Posts: 10
bp if it came down to it. but around 20,000 rounds stored for shtf should last at least 10 years.
River
river is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Gun & Game - The Friendliest Gun Forum on the Internet > General > The Powder Keg

Tags
black, powder, shtf, smokeless

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:53 AM.




Recent Discussions

Connect with us!
Advertisement



"It don't cost nuthin' to be nice." -- Mike West