10-10-2009, 03:57 PM
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#21 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by charles73  | Alot of good thoughts gentlemen! Thank you for your input. So now Im trying to find a link to Recoil in ft. lbs.... lol Anyone know of one? | Chuck Hawks' site is VERY informative. There's more to read there than you can muster in a few days. Reloading Page
Once there, click on the "Tables, Charts, and Lists Page" found at the top of the page. You will have to register and sign in, but the RIFLE RECOIL TABLE alone is worth it.
If you cannot sign on or don;t want to, let me know and I can email the recoil page to you. It's 108kb. VERY interesting, this recoil table is.....
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10-10-2009, 04:54 PM
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#22 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by StretchNM Chuck Hawks' site is VERY informative. There's more to read there than you can muster in a few days. Reloading Page
Once there, click on the "Tables, Charts, and Lists Page" found at the top of the page. You will have to register and sign in, but the RIFLE RECOIL TABLE alone is worth it.
If you cannot sign on or don;t want to, let me know and I can email the recoil page to you. It's 108kb. VERY interesting, this recoil table is..... | Good Post!
I got the Marlin 1895 GS and the Marlin 1895 XLR, both in .45-70, just for the Bear Hunting seasons. With good loads, there's nothing that's going to stand after being hit with one of those babies.
It's a heavy rifle, but I'd rather have too much gun than not enough gun. 
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10-10-2009, 05:16 PM
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#23 | | Chief Troll B' Gone
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Originally Posted by 338RUM | I would be more inclined to use a 505 Gibbs if elephant was a possibility. But I am going to be partial to the 600 Nitro Express Magnum only because I am building one on a savage 210 slug gun action, when I am done I will have a nice African rifle | What is a .600 Nitro Express Magnum?
Why not just build a .600 Overkill on a CZ 550 action?
CRF, readily available brass, and it's a belted straight wall case.
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10-10-2009, 06:14 PM
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#24 | | Firearm Zealot
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.600 Nitro express 
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10-10-2009, 06:48 PM
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#25 | | Chief Troll B' Gone
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Originally Posted by srt 10 jimbo .600 Nitro express | Oh ok, the word "Magnum" kinda threw me off.
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10-10-2009, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Ten Man Good Post!
I got the Marlin 1895 GS and the Marlin 1895 XLR, both in .45-70, just for the Bear Hunting seasons. With good loads, there's nothing that's going to stand after being hit with one of those babies.
It's a heavy rifle, but I'd rather have too much gun than not enough gun. | Big bore levers get my vote.
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10-10-2009, 10:09 PM
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#27 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by 338RUM | I would be more inclined to use a 505 Gibbs if elephant was a possibility. But I am going to be partial to the 600 Nitro Express Magnum only because I am building one on a savage 210 slug gun action, when I am done I will have a nice African rifle |
Is that action strong enough for the .600 NE?
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10-10-2009, 10:13 PM
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#28 | | Firearm Aficionado
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That's what I was thinking too, that's just a low pressure shotgun action.
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10-10-2009, 10:19 PM
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#29 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by Tack Driver | That's what I was thinking too, that's just a low pressure shotgun action. | Follow the posts in shotguns under "Proper Shotgun Power" - I drool when I read them!
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10-10-2009, 10:40 PM
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#30 | | Firearm Zealot
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the savage 210 action is a scaled up replica of there standard rifle bolt, i consulted with our local gunsmith and he said it was a go, because the 600 nitro express is not a high pressure round due to it's large bore diameter.
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10-10-2009, 10:54 PM
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#31 | | Chief Troll B' Gone
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Way too much gun for me, I think I'll stick with my CZ's for heavy duty hunting.
Not sure if I would want to use a Savage action for a DG rifle, anyway.
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10-10-2009, 11:05 PM
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#32 | | Firearm Zealot
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well in reality it will never see africa but it will be "fun" to shoot. but i will trust it for the bears...
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10-10-2009, 11:30 PM
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#33 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Ten Man.......You have perked my interest in those Marlin Rifles! So do you think the 45-70 would be good medicine for Grizzly?
By the way I doubt very seriously I will ever go to Africa. I do have a friend who is a missionary over there but there is no way Im taking a firearm over to his part of the world. Too many crazies where he is. lol
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10-11-2009, 02:19 PM
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#34 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by Midas | Way too much gun for me, I think I'll stick with my CZ's for heavy duty hunting.
Not sure if I would want to use a Savage action for a DG rifle, anyway. | Too much gun for Midas? Never thought I'd see the day......
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10-11-2009, 02:31 PM
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458 Win.
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10-11-2009, 03:33 PM
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#36 | | Chief Troll B' Gone
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Originally Posted by Tack Driver | Too much gun for Midas? Never thought I'd see the day...... | Yes, I'm too big a wuss, I'm gonna stick to shooting the .500 Jeffery and smaller cartridges like the .458 Lott and .450 Rigby, I'll let the real "He-man" shoot the big guns.
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10-12-2009, 07:48 AM
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#37 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by charles73 | Ok...I must admit I will probably never go to Africa and hunt Lion, Elephant, Leopard, or Cape, but I would like to hunt Grizzly someday. But forgetting I said all that what is the smallest cartridge you would go with? .375 H&H?? .338 Win Mag? I'm open to suggestions. I just don't know if I want to take a 30-06 to bag a Grizzly. I know it can do it....but....I think I would like a heavier payload than whats offered for the 30-06.
Maybe I have eaten too much pizza and I'm in need of some sleep. lol
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A good friend of mine worked for a few years with his cousin that ran an outfitter operation in Alaska. He carried a 300WM and said it was not enough for that part of the country. it was fine for the lower 48, but he felt undergunned in Alaska. His thought was the .338 was the minimum when hunting the huge Kodiak brown bears. (10ft + @ 1,000 Lbs. +) (his preference was the 375H&H)
one interesting note was they had a 45-70 hanging from a tree at night for camp security. he said it was quick, manuverable, and devestating at short range.
I do not know what others may think the minimum is for Africa may be but my guess is it's probably bigger than the .338.
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10-13-2009, 01:42 AM
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#38 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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I still kick myself for not picking up a Remington 338 Win Mag about a year ago at a gun show. The guy was selling it like dirt cheap....He was a smaller framed guy, like me, but I haven't had any problem with recoil...I think it was a sendero Mod 700. He was asking 550 for it. I think that was a descent deal. It had a great stock on it.
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10-13-2009, 02:35 AM
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#39 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Ten Man I got the Marlin 1895 GS and the Marlin 1895 XLR, both in .45-70, just for the Bear Hunting seasons. With good loads, there's nothing that's going to stand after being hit with one of those babies.
It's a heavy rifle, but I'd rather have too much gun than not enough gun. | Heavy?? It's only about 8 pounds loaded!!! I can one-hand my 1895SBL like John Wayne!!
(heck, it's half the reason I bought it...that large lever-loop )
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10-13-2009, 02:45 AM
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#40 | | Firearm Zealot
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The area I hunt doesn't have any dangerous game...except for meth cookers and pot farmers...I think whatever I'm hunting with would be big enough for that kind of dangerous game.
I am just speculating, based on research and "paper" knowledge, (since I've never hunted DG)...but I would think .300WinMag for lower 48, .338 for alaska/canada, and .458 for africa. That is in bolt actions....I would trust a .450marlin in a lever for any DG on this continent up close.
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