[BenchRest]

Quote:       Originally Posted by wunhunglo

So, is or is not the sky falling???

Sky falling,?, NOW I have something to worry about!
I think it's Bush's fault...

[DaTeacha]

The big wrinkle in this debate that seems to blanket the country is that it is very difficult to convince folks of the worth of preventative measures that actually work. It is also difficult to prove they did.

Let's suppose the country goes through this upcoming flu season with no more than the typical number of cases of flu. The medical folks will say "Wow, we sure averted that disaster with our vaccine" and smile, continuing to praise the effectiveness of modern medicine. The paranoid folks will say "See, there was no pandemic, no flu to worry about. It was just a ruse to move money from the pockets of many to the pockets of a few" and I will never get a flu shot for as long as I live.

Now let's suppose there is a huge increase in the number of cases of flu this season. The medical folks will say "This is a different version of the virus. It mutated and sidestepped our vaccines. Stuff happens once in a while, and we're sorry we didn't anticipate the mutation." The paranoid will say "See, the vaccines didn't work. All those people paid out money to the few in Big Pharma or Big Medicine and they still got sick while the big boys got rich, laughing all the way to the bank."

A flu shot is kind of like car insurance. You get it, you pay for it, and then you hope you won't ever need to find out how good it is.

[White Rook]

I'm Diabetic, so I will be the Guinea Pig for all of us. I will get a H1N1 Flu Shot as soon as it is available in this area. I will leave instructions with my oldest daughter in case of my death from the vaccine she will know how to log on to G&G to let everyone know that they shouldn't get vaccinated. It's the least that I can do for my Fellow Americans....

[woody1981]

Quote:       Originally Posted by White Rook

I'm Diabetic, so I will be the Guinea Pig for all of us. I will get a H1N1 Flu Shot as soon as it is available in this area. I will leave instructions with my oldest daughter in case of my death from the vaccine she will know how to log on to G&G to let everyone know that they shouldn't get vaccinated. It's the least that I can do for my Fellow Americans....

Rook, THANKS for taking one for the team!!!!

[Cyrano]

Be careful, White Rook. I was not kidding when I warned there's stuff in the H1N1 vaccine that does not belong in anything you put into your body. The three things I mentioned are just the tip of the iceberg. This particular vaccine has been rushed into production. For practical purposes, Big Pharma is using the American people as guinea pigs. They don't care if a few, or even a few thousand, people die from their vaccine, as long as they make money.

[srt 10 jimbo]

Problem is the Flue mutates from one year to the next, so at best it will only relieve some of the symptoms.

[Dragunov]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Archetype_wyo

I refuse to get a flu shot. In my opinion its gimping your immune system. What happened before Vaccines? What you're doing is basically cruching your immune system. Well one of these days there won't be a flu shot due to something going on the world over, then what will you do?

Truer words hath not been spoken! I've never had a flu shot, or any other shot except for tetanus, besides any vaccines as a young child. I've never been sick with the flu. I can't even remember the last time I had a cold. I have endured nursing my wife who had the flu from halloween night in 2003 til two days before thanksgiving.
My kids have gotten it, my youngest currently has it, co-workers have gotten it, my friends and neighbors have gotten it. I have always helped nurse them. Honey and lemon, mullein, shikkin' soup etc. Nor do I take any out of the normal precautions to keep from getting it.

I am probably a carrier.

I feel that natural innoculation is the best way to go.
My sister had measels, I never got them.
I had the mumps when I was 5 and still to this day remember the pain!

I don't know what's in vaccines. If I don't know, I don't want them in my body.

[DaTeacha]

Vaccines are typically composed of attenuated viruses and/or viral protein coats. They are supposed to be pure and the viral content is supposed to be unable to replicate within your body. They are intended to stimulate the production of anti-bodies which can negate the virus before it makes you sick.

Viruses are essentially segments of protein molecules which have the ability to enter your cells and cause them to produce more viruses, which attack more cells, making your sicker and sicker until your body is able to produce sufficient number of antibodies to kill the viruses.

Please note I said "supposed to". As far as I know, the general public does not have access to any kind of data from a clinical analysis of the vaccines being distributed. I have only heard second or third hand reports of contamination, none of which reference specific valid research work.

I will not take the H1N1 vaccine on the advice of my doctor. I am 63 and work teaching in a public school. My doctor will not take the H1N1 vaccine, either. He feels the virus in question is not, at this point, sufficiently dangerous to merit the widespread publicity about it. IF it mutates into something that is virulent, I could have a problem. It has not yet, to my knowledge, demonstrated any proclivity to mutate. A large scale outbreak might increase the number of viral organisms and bring about a greater probability of mutation, but if that happens the vaccine will probably not be of any merit anyways.

[MrsS]

My local health department has the H1N1 mist available to the public, although in a limited supply. I am leaning towards me & my 6 year old getting it. By far, my little one is in the highest risk category, as he is with most diseases.

I see both sides of the battle: limited/not enough testing of the vaccine; ? wrong strain being vaccinated against; immune system tampering, etc.
I can also see my children(and myself) as being spared from some of the most deadliest diseases(think polio, diptheria, etc) thanks to vaccines.

I am in the same boat as TexasT...I currently am seeing a few folks(some children) who are currently fighting for their lives because of the H1N1 virus and others(my husband's cousin and young children) who claim it was like any other flu, took tamiflu and got over it without any lingering effects(although the cousin developed pneumonia two weeks after the flu and was told it was "unrelated").


I think its going to have to be an individual's personal preference.

[FortyXDM]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Archetype_wyo

I refuse to get a flu shot. In my opinion its gimping your immune system. What happened before Vaccines? What you're doing is basically cruching your immune system. Well one of these days there won't be a flu shot due to something going on the world over, then what will you do?

Lots of people died very young. I do see the concern here. But the numbers still favor getting the shot.

[FortyXDM]

Quote:       Originally Posted by woody1981

Rook, THANKS for taking one for the team!!!!

I am sure you meant to say: Rook, THANKS for "perhaps" taking one for the team!!!! Rook - You will be logging in for a long time.

[woody1981]

Quote:       Originally Posted by FortyXDM

I am sure you meant to say: Rook, THANKS for "perhaps" taking one for the team!!!! Rook - You will be logging in for a long time.

Yes, 40, I made an unforgivable error! My apologies, Rook, because you will be logging in here for a long, long time. This reminds me of the funeral of one of my uncles. It was a big family, and the only male left was the youngest, at the time about 70. The priest extolled the life of my deceased uncle, and then walked up in front of where the remaining male sat and said, "Frank, I suppose you eagerly await joining your brother in heaven." I almost croaked myself. My uncle looked dumbfounded and blanched totally white. Sorry, Rook!! Thanks, 40! Greater caution is needed on my part!

[Dragunov]

Quote:       Originally Posted by DaTeacha

Vaccines are typically composed of attenuated viruses and/or viral protein coats. They are supposed to be pure and the viral content is supposed to be unable to replicate within your body. They are intended to stimulate the production of anti-bodies which can negate the virus before it makes you sick. Viruses are essentially segments of protein molecules which have the ability to enter your cells and cause them to produce more viruses, which attack more cells, making your sicker and sicker until your body is able to produce sufficient number of antibodies to kill the viruses. Please note I said "supposed to". As far as I know, the general public does not have access to any kind of data from a clinical analysis of the vaccines being distributed. I have only heard second or third hand reports of contamination, none of which reference specific valid research work. I will not take the H1N1 vaccine on the advice of my doctor. I am 63 and work teaching in a public school. My doctor will not take the H1N1 vaccine, either. He feels the virus in question is not, at this point, sufficiently dangerous to merit the widespread publicity about it. IF it mutates into something that is virulent, I could have a problem. It has not yet, to my knowledge, demonstrated any proclivity to mutate. A large scale outbreak might increase the number of viral organisms and bring about a greater probability of mutation, but if that happens the vaccine will probably not be of any merit anyways.

I understand the biology of it and how it works. It's the "what is in the vehicle of delivery and stablizers" part and the fact you're mucking with your immune system that is dicey to me.

[Big Dog]

Local news reports on the now-available mist vaccine is that it contains 'live virus' and is NOT being given to very young children and pregnant women.
The injected vaccine (not yet available) is a different formulation, according to reports. It is said to be 'safer' than the mist.
Hmmmm....... 'live virus'. I still say, "No thanks!" I will risk the H1N1 virus 'in the wild' so to speak. And if YOU get the vaccine, then we 'carriers' are no danger to you, right? All comes down to personal choice.

[Archetype_wyo]

I've gotten sick pleanty of times in my somewhat short life (21 yrs) and have yet to get a flu vaccine. I find I get over being sick somewhat faster than when I was younger and I eat alot less healthy things than I did then. I think its all a matter of the way your body reacts to certain things. Personally like I said before I won't get the vaccine. The only things I trust to put in my body are food, the great liquid engineered by the Coca~Cola company (mmm coke) and Excedrin (for when I have a rough day) oh and can't forget The Budweiser Family and Rolling Rock or Heineken. YUMM!

[MrsS]

Called my MD's office today to see if it was okay to get the H1N1 mist with some GI symptoms I have recently developed with no fever and I was strongly advised not to get it at this time. I was told that because I did not know what the cause of my GI problems were, introducing the H1N1, even in its weakened form, may complicate matters. I also chose to withold my son's H1N1 mist at this time. I will see what comes up in the near future.

[TexasT]

I'm getting my novel H1N1 shot. To hell with the rest of you. I don't want to end up in the ICU or dead.

[billy]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

I'm getting my novel H1N1 shot. To hell with the rest of you. I don't want to end up in the ICU or dead.

me too sis!

[billy]

Durango Herald News, Colo. reports 14 swine flu deaths

[Dookiebutt]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LiveToShoot

^ As with other important issues of the day... ...we share information with each other. Because none of us have time... ...to do all the research on our own. Then, personal choice is exercised... ...armed with knowledge and experiences shared. We all recognize the efforts buy some to deceptively deprive us of our liberties and rights... ...but close our eyes to other areas of equal concern and incorrectness.

What's up with the haiku-style replies???