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Old 10-17-2009, 06:01 PM   #1
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.44 Magnum +P

So I'm perusing my Midway flyer and come across a listing in the pistol ammunition section for Buffalo Bore 44 Rem Mag ammunition. The particular load is 305gr. lead FN GC at 1478 fps. That gives a muzzle energy of 1450 ft lbs. Now that is more stout than the .445 Super Magnum wildcat.

I'm wondering if any one else has tried these loads. I have a Ruger Super Blackhawk that I'd like to try them out in. They flyer does list that these are maximum loads designed for modern guns in good condition. I think this load would be the berries for wild boar. I have no problems shooting factory 240gr jacketed loads, but these will probably take some getting used to.

Anybody have any thoughts on this ammo?

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Old 10-17-2009, 07:05 PM   #2
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As far as thoughts go,

I do understand some people get good with a .44 magnum. But let us get realistic - most do not. It is too much gun for them. Certainly, even more power will lower the numbers who can get good with the cartridge.

Many years ago I owned the Ruger single action .44 mag. I handloaded until I found my "sweet spot" between the .44 special and the .44 mag.

I just think a .44 mag +P is over the top for all but the few.
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Old 10-17-2009, 07:13 PM   #3
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I'm leery of Buffalo Bore ammunition because the fantastic performance they claim for their ammo is....fantastic.
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Old 10-17-2009, 07:13 PM   #4
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I do understand some people get good with a .44 magnum. But let us get realistic - most do not. It is too much gun for them. Certainly, even more power will lower the numbers who can get good with the cartridge.

Many years ago I owned the Ruger single action .44 mag. I handloaded until I found my "sweet spot" between the .44 special and the .44 mag.

I just think a .44 mag +P is over the top for all but the few.
Not to worry, I've been shooting my .44 for 15+ years. I find that I do best with the heavier loadings. If I try the Buffalo loads and find I don't do well with them, I won't use them. I'm just wondering if anyone else has any experience with them.

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Old 10-18-2009, 12:02 AM   #5
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I have both Buffalo Bore and Garrett Cartridges in 305 and 330 gr. respectively. Both are special rounds primarily for hunting and protection against large carnivores. IMHO. I have them for my Ruger Redhawk which I sent to Mag-na-port for porting to reduce the muzzle lift. Seems to work quiet well for me.
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Old 10-18-2009, 01:58 AM   #6
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A friend of mine says they are ok except they are rough on revolvers and not the best in accuracy.My personal experience is stay 240gr and under for max accuracy and power. ,,,sam.
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Old 10-18-2009, 11:28 AM   #7
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A friend of mine says they are ok except they are rough on revolvers and not the best in accuracy.My personal experience is stay 240gr and under for max accuracy and power. ,,,sam.
Sounds like good advice. I suppose if I really need more power than a "normal" .44 Mag. load, I should look at more gun.

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Old 10-18-2009, 12:02 PM   #8
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they may be really nice in lever guns.
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Old 10-18-2009, 03:37 PM   #9
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I know your Ruger will be able to handle the loads, but you might want to get a .454 Casul instead of shooting those super hot .44 mag loads, if you feel like you need more gun.
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Old 10-18-2009, 04:49 PM   #10
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My .44 Mag is a nice, heavy 6" barrel S&W. It will handle the =P loads for sure but I just don't see the need for anything more than normal 240 grain JHP's. I don't use a handgun to hunt anything other than a person trying to harm myself or loved ones and hope I NEVER have to do that but I think a 240 grain Hornady will do that job well.
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Old 10-18-2009, 05:16 PM   #11
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shop tom: Sir; I shoot 300grn; It will raise a-lot of yell. You need to be prepared for the body shocks. I did hurt my elbow with Ruger Super Blackhawk Is it out of control??? nope Is the trajectory a little low at 50yds compared to 240grn; yep

300grn will heat your barrel in a very big hurry
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Old 10-18-2009, 05:29 PM   #12
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300 grain just seems like overkill. I'd rather just have a .460 Mag if I need a bullet that big.
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Old 10-18-2009, 07:26 PM   #13
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BB has some of the hottest ammo I've shot. I've had in general fairly good accuracy from their rounds, but it does depend on the gun. My LCR didn't like their 158 SWCHP +P in .38 spl; was reliable but accuracy not so good.

I'd feel fine shooting the load you mentioned in a Ruger, but would have second thoughts about a continuous diet of this stuff for something like a M29. For the "non +P" caliber +P rounds (i.e. 44 special, 40 S+W, 45 LC, this load) I'm pretty specific to the guns I'll shoot them in.
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:32 AM   #14
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I've never done it myself, but don't people already take wild boar with normal pressure .44 magnum loads? In fact, I do believe there's at least one shooter on these boards that takes them with a black powder Walker Dragoon. If that is so, why go to the extreme if enough is as good as a feast, so to speak?
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I think I'd use a Ruger Super Redhawk for that load, but I'm sure the Blackhawk is up to it. Whatever floats your boat, so to speak.

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I think its a pretty stupid idea.

The reality is that the .44 magnum works just fine for its intended purposes in North America.

Instead of trying to hot rod it up and make a .454 Casull out of it, people need to just go buy a .454 instead.

Remember, the .44 mag and .454 were developed from old cartridges that were drastically underpowered because they were old west leftovers.

The .44 magnum is not an old cartridge nor underpowered. There's no need to soup it up. If you need more from a handgun, the answer is not overloading the cartridge like a yankee trying to squeeze blood out of a stone. the answer is buy a .480 Ruger, .454 Casull, .460 S&W or a .500 magnum.
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Old 10-24-2009, 10:03 AM   #17
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I think its a pretty stupid idea.
I second that motion. I've been looking at BB ammo's advertised performance in different cartridges and I wouldn't use it in any gun I cared about.

Unless they got some magic powder or have repealed the laws of physics the stuff has to be way more than max loaded. A typical example is one of their .357 mag loads, they claim to have chrono'd a heavy 180 grain bullet at 1300 fps from a 3" barrel, using a little J-Frame S&W no less.

Now just how do they do that? It's the same in all their listed ammo, just incredible performance that no other manufacturer comes close to and no handloader could duplicate unless he was a slob that mindlessly dumped more than max charges in the case.

I haven't heard about anyone having a gun blow up from using it, but no thanks I'll pass anyway.
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Old 10-24-2009, 11:20 AM   #18
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The only reason I can think of for a load like that is for a lever-action in .44 to get a flatter trajectory.

And even then...ouch.
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Old 10-24-2009, 12:08 PM   #19
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there might just be a reason for the 445.
oh yeah it was designed to throw the heavier bullets at real velocities.
it really smokes the nominal weights,and does it at regular pressures.
+p in a magnum is just too much on the gun.
it's like trying to make a 0-6 into a 300 win mag with +p.
yeah hornady does it but with propriatry powders. worked up for each case size.
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Old 10-24-2009, 12:48 PM   #20
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One thing that no one has touched on is the currently manufactured ammunition by the big boys: Federal, Winchester, Remington, ECT is all wimpy compared to when those same rounds were developed 30+ years ago. Can you say litigation? Don't believe me? Check out a reloading manual from the early 70s and compare it against the latest and greatest version printed.

Some 38 Special loads of yesteryear qualify for super powerful 357 MAGNUM loads today!
It's funny how my S&W revolvers could handle X amount of pressure when they were made in the 70/80s and suddenly the same revolver is now dangerous to shoot with the same ammunition S&W designed it for.

A lot of the little ammo companies like Corbon, Double Tap, Buffalo Bore and others are only taking these rounds to the upper pressures that they were designed for. +P just means that it has higher pressures, not that its been taken past the design limitations (such as the 45 Long Colt breeding the 454 Casull or 44 Mag into .445). The +P designation is useful to warn folks with aluminum framed guns like the S&W air weights not to shoot great quantities of high pressure rounds or you may damage your gun.

If you don't mind shooting 300 grain hot loads I see no reason not to. Buffalo Bore lists your gun as one of the ones they see fit to use their ammo. You are just using your gun it its full potential.

That is my unsolicited 2 cents worth.
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