Old 10-20-2009, 07:32 AM   #1
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California: Gun stores preparing for ammo restrictions

Walk into Cold War Shooters gun shop in Highland, and you can pick up a box of .22 caliber rounds, walk to the checkout counter, pay and leave. That transaction will be decidedly different in 2011, when a new state law governing handgun ammunition sales takes effect.

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Old 10-20-2009, 08:55 AM   #2
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Here we see the real sting in the tail of this new ammunition purchase procedures law Ah-nold signed. The damned anti-gunners must be having orgasms over this, being that California is seen as a bellwether state for legislation:

Knight and Hagman said the law will be especially inconvenient for gun owners in rural areas.

The law requires that ammunition be sold or transferred in face-to-face transactions - meaning no more ammunition delivered by mail.

"Many people buy ammunition on the Internet because they're 30, 40, 50 miles away from a gun store," Knight said. "There are places in the state where people have a difficult time getting ammunition."

Ammunition can still be ordered online, de Len said, but it will have to be delivered to a licensed ammunition dealer.

See what I'm driving at here? It's not merely the inconvenience of having to show ID and have your fingerprints taken just to buy ammunition. The anti-gunners, knowing how people think and act, have for practical purposes just managed to ban Internet purchases of ammunition in California! Thanks so much, Gubenator.

This bill was passed by reassuring the state legislators it was aimed at stopping pistol ammo purchases by felons - but what it does is impact milsurp shooters as well as pistol shooters, who often buy military surplus ammunition by the case in lots of 880 or over 1,000 rounds. Yes, they can still buy ammo online - but since it has to be delivered to a licensed ammo dealer, that means to take delivery, they have to submit to the new, evil, intrusive regulations that will allow the Gestapo - excuse me, any police agency that cares to investigate - the ability to track personal ammunition sales without a warrant. Can you say, "Invasion of privacy?" How about "Fourth Amendment violation?" I knew you could!

A state legislator is introducing a bill that would repeal this unconstitutional law. I'm sure the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action is already looking to take the state to court on the grounds I mentioned in the preceding paragraph. This law on ammo purchasing is a step down the road to a totalitarian state. That law needs to be repealed and Schwarzenegger publicly rebuked for having been foolish enough to sign it.
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Old 10-20-2009, 04:16 PM   #3
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Cyrano pretty much nailed it. Don't have much to add.

Except that I'm sure gun stores are preparing for ammo restrictions.... by figuring out how much they can raise their prices without mail-order competition.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:27 PM   #4
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This is unbelieveable that any state could pass a law that so blatenly violates our right to privacy. Having to leave a fingerprint to puchase ammo!! Then the store owners have to allow law enforcment to browse through them whenever they feel like it. No offense to anyone that lives in California but if your state is willing to pass such a law then the sooner the big one happens and the state falls into the ocean the better the rest of the USA will be. Politicians have to be some of the dumbest people around. Writing a law to make something illegal only opens up the door for one more criminal enterprise to flourish. Making alcohol illegal worked great did'nt it!! Its is working great for drugs to by creating gangs that have so much income they are impossible to shut down. When is some politician with a brain going to pick up a history book and read it. Making something illegal does not stop criminals. It never has and it never will. OK I'm done ranting now.
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:16 PM   #5
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This new ammo safety law is one of those "agin human nature" laws that never turn out well - like the Volstead Act. I think we can expect the same results. Ordinary citizens in the United States generally don't react well someone, especially the gummint, telling them if they do what they want to do, they're criminals. Let me explain what I mean.

I go to a lot of estate sales in my area. The difference between an estate sale and a tag sale/garage sale/yard sale hereabouts is that at an estate sale, the entire contents of the house is being sold off (usually to settle an estate, hence the name). There are about eight or ten professional estate sale operators who run sales in my "hunting preserve." There are a couple of pros whose sales I adore, that I'll gladly go a long way out of my way to get to one of their sales - and there is one outfit that I would not go to if the pro was liquidating the contents of Fort Knox at one cent per thousand dollars next door to me.

The difference? The pro I loathe treats her customers as if they are criminals out to rob her blind; as if she thinks her customers are dishonest. Perhaps she's allowing her own level of honesty to color her perception of that of her customers, but I won't put up with that. When she tried that treatment on me at the last sale of hers I went to years ago, I happened to have a double armload of books three feet tall in my arms. I just opened my arms and let the books fall to the floor in a heap, and told her in a loud voice what I thought of her attitude and the attitude of her staff. I told her that I was leaving, would never go to a sale she was associated with again, and that I would advise my estate-saleing friends why. I was not the only person in the checkout line to walk out of that sale without buying anything, though I was the only one angry enough to dump what I'd intended to buy on the floor.

Would anyone care to wager that folks in California's rural counties that abut the Arizona, Nevada and Oregon borders will be signing rental agreements at places like The UPS Store and other post restante operations just across the border that offer "street and suite" addresses so they don't have to deal with the idiotic new California ammo laws? And what will happen after Californians do that in sizeable numbers, I wonder?
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:57 AM   #6
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It sounds like you and me would get along great Cyrano. I have never taken crap from anyone my whole life. I have mellowed with age. I like they way you handled the situation. If a guy trys to give me crap I use to get right in his face and made sure he knew that if he kept it up he better be prepaired for a butt whoppin"! If a woman try to give me crap then I would do something along the lines that you did like make a big scene in public. I am alot more mellow now and I have not put my fist through some guys snot box in a long time. I guess I am just getting wiser with age.

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