[G. Green]

Don't think I ever said it was the gun's fault. Every catastrophic failure I've seen on a firearm could be chalked up to operator or usually handloader error....GG

[GlockMeister]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

S&W's are worse than taurus OR glocks. it's like holding a time bomb. will it kill you THIS time? maybe NOW?

Give me a break. Out your tin foil hat on Billy. The aliens are messing with your common sense brain waves again. lol

[GlockMeister]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

actually glocks are the only ones that blow up for no reason. they dont even have to be loaded. just one day KERBLOOEY! for nuthin.....

Time to put that tin foil hat on Billy. The aliens are messing with the common sense part of your brain again. A gun not even loaded can blow up huh.

And, it's not true. There is usually almost always a reason for a Glock having an issue. It's called not following factory recommendations and not using reloads unless you get and use an after market barrel.

And I'd point out, for all that are out there in use, the few I've seen pictures of, of the Glocks blowing up that is, and I'd add also the same photo and story went around several times as different guns blowing up, so there are even less then stated, but of all the Glocks in use, and the few that have blown up the percentage is very minute. That's minute (my-noot) not minute (min-it). lmao

And there have been other kabooms. 9 out of 10 it's due to the ammunition. Either a factory load that was mis-loaded because someone didn't check the specs. on the machines or, someone reloaded their own and don't know what they're doing or got side tracked and gave a load a double dose of powder from not paying attention.


And ALL guns, after time, can develop stress fractures. Some sooner then others if one reloads their own and runs the loads at max through the gun or even if one uses magnum loads on a regular basis.

Why I do this and why I suggest everyone inspect any gun before even using it. Especially if it's an older or used gun. Or someone else's gun because someone else's or used, you just don't and can't know what they ran through it or how well they took care of it.

[GlockMeister]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Mooseman684

FUNNY THING...I just got an E-mail about this Blowup and It said... "Someone needs to learn how to reload. M629 BLOWUP A guy came into our department the other day to ask a favor. He had a S&W 629 that he wanted to dispose of after a mishap at the range. He said there was a loud bang when he tested his new load and the gun smacked him in the forehead, leaving a nice gash. When the tweety birds cleared, this is what he saw....." And it had the same Photos Mike Posted about this happening to him... something Smells Fishy here....

Like I said in one other post. How did the two rounds, the ones on each side of the one in front of the barrel, appear to be blown up or blow up from the inside out? Look how the brass in the one closest is split from the inside out, or appears to be and bent outward, or again, appears to be...


Something fishy smellin' indeed.

And generally only a few things can cause this.
1.) too hot a load.
2.) too many repeated hot loads
3.) too many magnum loads over time and the firearm developed a stress fracture.
4.) a defect in the workmanship of the firearm. (I'd add that since parts and guns are inspected and even test fired, and some even taken a part and thoroughly inspected at random, the odds of a gun getting through the process to the end user with a defective part, is nil to none.

And I'm sure there are a couple other reasons for a firearm, any firearm, to blow up, but the most common and number one cause is



someone wasn't paying attention while reloading or they loaded it too hot or they gave one load a double powder charge because they got side tracked while reloading.

The second reason I would say is the firearm is old or well used and developed a stress fracture or metal fatigue.

[FrostShell]

I hear people throw around the term "hot load" or "hot round" quite a bit. What does that mean exactly?

[Mooseman684]

Quote:       Originally Posted by FrostShell

I hear people throw around the term "hot load" or "hot round" quite a bit. What does that mean exactly?

That means a reload or +P factory round that is at Maximum charge or A little over , which can lead to Higher than normal Pressures...Some Guns like the Thompson Contender and Ruger Blackhawk Can Handle Higher Pressures than Smith And Wessons or Colts.
1/2 Grain of Powder over the Maximum can increase pressures by 5000 to 10,000 lbs in certain cases and the result can be devastating...
Rich

[scubadown]

Would love to hear more but I bet the lawyers clamp this one down tight.

[samuel]

Don't think anyone needs a lawyer until there is substantiation that something happened to someone to cause personal loss or injury or both. ,,,sam.

[samuel]

Anyone that ever loaded mag cases for max performance or ever took a factory round apart knows there is little or no extra room left in a case when loaded properly with the right powder.It would be impossible for a properly loaded max handload or a factory round to be double charged.There just isn't any room for it.I could go on and on about S&W test firing before boxing/shipping and so on.Since I see no verification,such as a picture of injury to person,or copied communication with S&W or bullet mfg,I will call this what I believe it is,[BULLSHIT].Prove me wrong and I will be more than pleased to get on my knees and make a sincere and humble apoligy. ,,,sam.

[madcratebuilder]

Quote:      

Time to put that tin foil hat on Billy. The aliens are messing with the common sense part of your brain again. A gun not even loaded can blow up huh. And, it's not true. There is usually almost always a reason for a Glock having an issue. It's called not following factory recommendations and not using reloads unless you get and use an after market barrel.

Facetious

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2. amusing; humorous.

3. lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous: a facetious person.

[Mooseman684]

Quote:       Originally Posted by samuel

Anyone that ever loaded mag cases for max performance or ever took a factory round apart knows there is little or no extra room left in a case when loaded properly with the right powder.It would be impossible for a properly loaded max handload or a factory round to be double charged.There just isn't any room for it.I could go on and on about S&W test firing before boxing/shipping and so on.Since I see no verification,such as a picture of injury to person,or copied communication with S&W or bullet mfg,I will call this what I believe it is,[BULLSHIT].Prove me wrong and I will be more than pleased to get on my knees and make a sincere and humble apoligy. ,,,sam.

Sam....A 1/2 -1 Grain EXTRA of 296 Ball Powder in a MAX load will be a Huge overpressure...In a case like .44 or .45 Colt...and it will fit...From experience.

Rich

[samuel]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Sam....A 1/2 -1 Grain EXTRA of 296 Ball Powder in a MAX load will be a Huge overpressure...In a case like .44 or .45 Colt...and it will fit...From experience. Rich

If you look real close at my post,I was only addressing "double charge" not "over charge".Other posts in this thread were stating "double charge" and I was trying to show that a "double charge" is impossible in both handloading and factory fodder because there is no room for two charges of powder in one case.SAAMI specifies a certain charge that is "MAX" for a firearm.They leave a "cushion"between what can and probably will cause perminant damage or eruption to a firearm and their specified load.This pretty well covers things but will not guarrantee that humans won't be humans and can and will be either careless or stupid.But that is not what I was covering. ,,,sam.

[Mooseman684]

Ok..and something that was Not addressed was an Under Charge which also Can lead to an Explosion...But you are correct , not enough case capacity to hold a double charge.

Rich

[samuel]

Actually,undercharges are way more dangerous in my opinion than overcharges because they can catch you two ways.First is the squib load that sticks a bullet in the barrel and leaves a restriction.Usually this leaves a bulge in the barrel,but can cause an eruption.Second is the powder can be below the ignition port lighting virtually all of the powder at once causing way too fast of a burn and too much pressure too fast and will definitely cause an eruption.I saw a SA Colt of recent mfg that blew the top three chambers off and buckled the backstrap from using a small (I can't say how much,but 20grs or less in a 40gr capacity.)BP load with only a card holding the powder in,no bullet.This was not unusual but was later cured by filling the case with cornmeal and holding the powder up against the flash hole.One of the more common ways to create under/over charges is change bullet weight without changing powder charges. I am not writing this for you Mooseman,as I know you already know about it,but rather less experienced reloaders. ,,,sam.

[Deersniper]

Too short of a OAL, or loose bullet getting set back can cause over pressure too. Wow!

[DCWilson]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Mike82

i'll put it like this....it was not only the first time loaded(bought new), but as you can see, one of the cartridges doesnt have a bullet, this was the 2nd shot ever fired that did this....and they say 3rd time's the charm....they never tell you what the 2nd time is. interesting thing is....this is the 2nd time a receiver has peeled on me(1st due to blind man loading wrong cartridge). I gots a gash on me forehead from the hammer which was burned shut instantly because the #3 cartridge exploded when it hit me. I like battle scars but the doctor said he recommended laser surgery to get all the brass outta my forehead skin. Hopefully it'll leave a big scar Should've got a Colt, lol. -Mike.

Cylinders on S&W revolvers rotate counterclockwise. The bullet seen half in/half out of the broken chamber on the left side of the gun would have tied up the action if that round had been fired first, preventing cylinder rotation to second position. The detonating round in the revolver was necessarily the first one fired. Rounds in the flanking chambers were both destroyed in the explosion

These photos were posted on the Smith & Wesson forum on October 19, four days before they showed up here. The OP there said they had come to him in an email.

Given the inconsistencies and the weak detail of the original post and subsequent elaborations by the OP in this thread, I doubt that this incident happened to the initiator of this thread. If anyone ever finds out the real source of the photos and a description of what lay behind that explosion, I hope they will publish the facts here.

[vonfatman]

Agreed...sure is funny how someone would claim this "incident"???

Bob

[LeftHandShooter]

I've gotten this story from 4 different people, none of them on this forum, via e-mail.
3 told me it was from a guy in the state of_____, and listed 3 different states, and 2 said it was taken to a range to be turned in for disposal. All stories said it was from a double charged reload.

Not to doubt Mike any, but who originally owned the gun, and was it the same as the person who fired it when it exploded?

Just the facts please.

[DCWilson]

I'm not sure this incident was worth the time I have spent researching it today, but here's what I know. At this point I think I am done with this.
The earliest set of these photos I have found on the Internet was posted on August 31, 2009 on the Snipers Hide forum by a forum member named JTrue whose location is Soldotna, AK. There is an Alaska Trooper stationed in Soldotna named Jim Truesdale. If you go fishing on the photobucket account that is the source for the JTrue images, you will find additional photos of this ruined 629 that were never circulated in any of the subsequent postings on any of the several shooting web sites that have published them. Looks like the Snipers Hide publication has to be the source. Nobody picked up on it until about two or three weeks ago, and then it went viral on the gun forums. The email that carries the limited set of images seems to be taken verbatim from the JTrue post.
I think I am not supposed to post links to other forums here, but if you want to see the post I am referring to, you can Google for "tweety birds 629" and click on the link that goes to a snipershide(dot)com address.

[Midas]

[quote]i'll put it like this....it was not only the first time loaded(bought new), but as you can see, one of the cartridges doesnt have a bullet, this was the 2nd shot ever fired that did this....and they say 3rd time's the charm....they never tell you what the 2nd time is. interesting thing is....this is the 2nd time a receiver has peeled on me(1st due to blind man loading wrong cartridge). I gots a gash on me forehead from the hammer which was burned shut instantly because the #3 cartridge exploded when it hit me. I like battle scars but the doctor said he recommended laser surgery to get all the brass outta my forehead skin. Hopefully it'll leave a big scar Should've got a Colt, lol.

-Mike.[quote]

Where'd I put that can of troll spray?