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Old 10-26-2009, 01:07 AM   #1
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My dad...

wants an M16 or AR15, like the 1 he had when he was in the service. That was in the late 70's or early 80's. So he did a little searching and all the different part variation's made him confused. What he tells me is he wants a reliable shooter that shoots cheap, easy to find rounds and later he plans to add a scope.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:33 AM   #2
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Well right now there's no such thing as a cheap .223/5.56x45. In the 70's I think he would have had a M16A1. So basically you want an AR-15 with a 20 inch barrel and an A1 receiver. They may have had triangular handguards back then. I prefer round handguards myself though.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:41 AM   #3
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For a reliable shooter, cheap ammo and the ability to later add a scope, try a Ruger 10/22.
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Old 10-26-2009, 10:58 AM   #4
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Get a 20" flat top receiver with a removable carry handle. That way he can add a scope easier later on.

You can also get a .22lr conversion that will let him shoot cheap ammo out of the same gun. These run about $150-200, and pay for themselves in about 500 rounds.

.223 ammo isn't cheap anymore, but it can be found at a reasonable price.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:05 PM   #5
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^+1....best bet
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Old 10-26-2009, 10:31 PM   #6
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For a reliable shooter, cheap ammo and the ability to later add a scope, try a Ruger 10/22.
I hope you're joking...
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:49 PM   #7
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Isnt there a conversion kit that shoots the surplus ammo for the cz 52 and tokarevs... a 7.62 x 25 i believe... that would be a cheap alternative (in addition to being easily accessible) and a somewhat similar experience to the .223 kick. the flat top idea is a good one for a future scope mounting option with the detachable carrying handle and I believe the military was still using the A1 triangular furniture in that time period. 20 inch barrel and the fixed stock with the straight mags (if found in the 7.62 caliber) should work out well...
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:51 PM   #8
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The big problem is the variety of parts. Dunno whats the best or worse yet, the parts don't have pictures.
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:53 PM   #9
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Model 1 sales should have pictures and options available (as well as conversion kits) even if you do not buy anything from them the pictures and names, as well as prices, should give you a good idea of what you are getting yourself into
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Old 10-27-2009, 01:34 AM   #10
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im assuming your pop wants something like this


this is an M16A1, from the late 70's and early 80's

there are a few companies that make this type of AR15, and any one you buy will me more reliable than anything your dad carried in the mud and muck of combat
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Old 10-30-2009, 03:02 PM   #11
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.223 is not that expensive...at least not around here. I get it for $6 a box!
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Old 11-01-2009, 11:32 AM   #12
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goes for ten a box (cheapest) in Tennessee
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Old 11-01-2009, 02:34 PM   #13
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i can still find wolf for $6 a box up here
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Old 11-01-2009, 04:18 PM   #14
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"reliable" + "AR" = oxymoron
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Old 11-01-2009, 05:42 PM   #15
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I dont shoot the steel cases (I think wolf goes for around 6 or 7 here)- Heard the different diameter on the neck of the round in combination with extra residue from the dirtier brand in the barrel entry can cause jams when they let the round out and expand


something i just stay away from
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Old 11-01-2009, 08:35 PM   #16
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"reliable" + "AR" = oxymoron
i got a bushy lower and a stag upper, feed it steal wolf and HSM, and has been more reliable than my AK47, only had one failure to load and it was from a bad casing on a reload
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Old 11-01-2009, 09:16 PM   #17
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Get a 20" flat top receiver with a removable carry handle. That way he can add a scope easier later on.

You can also get a .22lr conversion that will let him shoot cheap ammo out of the same gun. These run about $150-200, and pay for themselves in about 500 rounds.

.223 ammo isn't cheap anymore, but it can be found at a reasonable price.
500 rounds uh .22 goes for 12.99 for 550
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Old 11-01-2009, 09:52 PM   #18
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^ they forgot a couple zeros, should be 5,000 to 7,000 rounds
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Old 11-13-2009, 08:11 PM   #19
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500 rounds uh .22 goes for 12.99 for 550
I believe he was talking about the price of 500 .223 rounds. Just sayin'...

At $6 a box for Wolf, that's still $150.
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Old 11-13-2009, 10:59 PM   #20
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Isnt there a conversion kit that shoots the surplus ammo for the cz 52 and tokarevs... a 7.62 x 25 i believe...
Tell me more about this please!
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