[Fokker]

No, but I generally don't get any vaccines for anything. I only catch the flu every few years and short of the flu, I never get sick.

[TexasT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Heavy shooter

Interesting considering you haven't examined her. Your clairvoyant powers must be very strong. Her doctors seem to think differently, but clearly you know better than them being an advocate of the vaccine. Your post pretty much sums up most of what is wrong with medicine today. Opinions being propagated as facts. You also prove my point by admonishing another poster in you next post for spreading opinions as facts. The vaccine may very well be safe, but it IS NOT 100% safe, and if you say it is you are simply lying as no vaccine is 100% safe.

This is for Heavy Shooter and Txplt.
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Actually your post pretty much sums up what's wrong with medicine. You don't have a lick of medical knowledge yet you spout off your expert opinion as if you are medically trained. Tell people vaccines are not safe as if you've actually read medical literature concerning the subject. I thought I would do a short lesson on how the brain works, but I decided to just ask a few questions instead.
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With your knowledge of how the brain works, do you think it is possible for someone to be able to run but not walk. Do you think it's possible for someone to be able to walk backwards but not forward? Have you thought about what part of the brains controls walking and how one would be able to walk in one direction and not the other. Have you also thought about what part of the brain controls language and speaking? Have you ever talked to anyone with a speech impediment? Were they able to speak fluently while performing certain activities but not others? They probably had that speech impediment all the time right? Do her symptoms make sense to you? Even not being a doctor do they make sense? Does it make sense for someone to have those particular symptoms only when walking forward? Have you ever seen anyone who's had a stroke, ataxia, or dystonia? Were they ever able to resolve their symptoms by running or walking backwards? In some types of dystonia, they are exacerbating by running or strenuous activity, not helped. Have you also thought about cause vs correlation? Even if she did get this weird "reaction" after taking her flu shot you can't be sure that it was the flu shot. With vaccinating millions of people, some people are going to get sick after the flu shot. Doesn't mean it's the flu shot that made them sick, just so happens to have happened after the flu shot.
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Last thing. Have you seen any credible news sources on this issue explaining her symptoms and why? Inside Edition doesn't count as credible. It's like the National Inquirer of "news" television. Have you heard any

[Heavy shooter]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

This is for Heavy Shooter and Txplt. * Actually your post pretty much sums up what's wrong with medicine. You don't have a lick of medical knowledge yet you spout off your expert opinion as if you are medically trained. Tell people vaccines are not safe as if you've actually read medical literature concerning the subject. I thought I would do a short lesson on how the brain works, but I decided to just ask a few questions instead. *

Please feel to find ANYWHERE I offered any medical advice on this forum or elsewhere other than to say it seemed I used to get the flu more in the military after having a flu shot, and I will not be getting this one. Hardly, "spouting off my expert opinion".Thanks for playing and drop your arrogant tone please.

That said, No Flu vaccine is 100% safe. Period. My doctor who would like me to get the shot, will even admit that as will most of the medical community. They may be 99.99% safe but every single one has caused a problem for someone. Every single one. Period. Again, thanks again for playing.


My medical experience is limited, however I do have first hand experience with someone who had a severe reaction with the 1976 vaccine which people like you said was 100% safe, when in reality like every other vaccine was 99.99% safe. But I'm sure in your narrow view he simply had "psychosis" as you seem to want ignore the FACT that there is no 100% safe vaccine. The benefits of of getting the vaccine may outweigh the risk 1000X or even 10,000X, but there will always be risk.


Get the shot if you want. I really don't care. I'm not trying to convince anyone either way like you are.

[TGF]

TexasT isn't a real doctor she just plays one on the interweb. I don't respect her medical opinion she has posted several silly things, just like the psychosis bit. Since T is unable to find the CDC site I have provided her a link

CDC H1N1 Flu | General Questions and Answers on 2009 H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Safety

Adverse nervous system reactions to the vaccine are estimated to be around 1 in 100,000 according the the CDC. If you are in the low risk group age 25-64 with no health issues, the flu is less likely to hurt you. This is all based on the numbers. I didn't really crunch them for the younger or older groups. The net is if you are healthy getting the flu shot is a dumb idea.

[squirrelblaster]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TargetGunFan

TexasT isn't a real doctor she just plays one on the interweb. I don't respect her medical opinion she has posted several silly things, just like the psychosis bit. Since T is unable to find the CDC site I have provided her a link

Quote:       Originally Posted by TargetGunFan

CDC H1N1 Flu | General Questions and Answers on 2009 H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Safety Adverse nervous system reactions to the vaccine are estimated to be around 1 in 100,000 according the the CDC. If you are in the low risk group age 25-64 with no health issues, the flu is less likely to hurt you. This is all based on the numbers. I didn't really crunch them for the younger or older groups. The net is if you are healthy getting the flu shot is a dumb idea.

lol, im not sure if this guy is joking and i missed it or if he is just frustrated and decided that slander was his best option....

this guy at least based his strange theory that TT is not credible on his own misguided medical views. txplt basically said that he does not trust her medical opinion because of her politic.... and that because she "she cant see threw the medias lies" no offence but thinking that all media except fox is part of some world wide conspiracy to keep republicans down is...... well stupid......

as for the shot im going to get it the second i can, and i think that you all should to. not only so that you don’t get sick but so you dont end up spreading it to your kids and to other people...... if you dont get the flu...then you cant spread the flu......

by the way TT is correct about tht girl..... she is either faking or its in here head.........

i don’t doubt that may be a 1 in 100,000 chance that it would couse nirve damage or something else..... But what that girl is displaying is not nirve damage and if you cant see that then frankly you just need to go back to school or stop pretending you actually graduated high school

[TXplt]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

This is for Heavy Shooter and Txplt. * Actually your post pretty much sums up what's wrong with medicine. You don't have a lick of medical knowledge yet you spout off your expert opinion as if you are medically trained. Tell people vaccines are not safe as if you've actually read medical literature concerning the subject. I thought I would do a short lesson on how the brain works, but I decided to just ask a few questions instead. * With your knowledge of how the brain works, do you think it is possible for someone to be able to run but not walk. Do you think it's possible for someone to be able to walk backwards but not forward? Have you thought about what part of the brains controls walking and how one would be able to walk in one direction and not the other. Have you also thought about what part of the brain controls language and speaking? Have you ever talked to anyone with a speech impediment? Were they able to speak fluently while performing certain activities but not others? They probably had that speech impediment all the time right? Do her symptoms make sense to you? Even not being a doctor do they make sense? Does it make sense for someone to have those particular symptoms only when walking forward? Have you ever seen anyone who's had a stroke, ataxia, or dystonia? Were they ever able to resolve their symptoms by running or walking backwards? In some types of dystonia, they are exacerbating by running or strenuous activity, not helped. Have you also thought about cause vs correlation? Even if she did get this weird "reaction" after taking her flu shot you can't be sure that it was the flu shot. With vaccinating millions of people, some people are going to get sick after the flu shot. Doesn't mean it's the flu shot that made them sick, just so happens to have happened after the flu shot. * Last thing. Have you seen any credible news sources on this issue explaining her symptoms and why? Inside Edition doesn't count as credible. It's like the National Inquirer of "news" television. Have you heard any

For my portion, thanks for the "non-response." Kind of interesting you can make a "psychosis" diagnosis simply from a video--I sure as heck would be hard pressed to find a probable cause (along with all the corresponding findings) of an accident solely from a cursory viewing of a U-tube video. To be honest, from where I stand I have yet to see a depth of medical knowledge from any of your posts that I would personally consider acceptable (or gleaned from any source other than the internet) but this is only my personal impression (but I do personally know many experienced physicians, flight physiologists, flight surgeons, and others responsible for medical evaluations and certifications; as well as coordinated on physiological / psychological / task management studies and served with same on mishap investigation boards--as well as worked with them over the last 20 years or so. I think the latter would give me at least a little "lick" of medical knowledge in some areas--but in any case I NEVER spouted any medical advice to anyone regarding this--NOR did I say the vaccine was "unsafe"; quite the contrary if you actually read my post--only that it is an individual CHOICE and you need to make the CHOICE for you and your family with knowledge of the risks (which are never zero)--and what my personal CHOICE will likely be). I'm not saying that you're NOT a doctor or potentially qualified as such; just that your posts to me personally to date seem inconsistent with what I'd expect from someone who received training in the field. Kind of like to me reading posts about someone who claims to be a pilot yet exhibits some basic gaps in aviation knowledge which make me question the individuals' background. It'd be like someone claiming to be a commercial pilot but unable to explain/identify how the reversers or autobrakes systems of his aircraft operated and when someone challenged him about it throwing darts at him telling the individual how little he knew about anything aviation related. Again, don't mean to be mean but that is the impression I am getting.

It might help from my perspective if you actually cited some data or facts on occasion and put them into a form individuals could understand (instead of just saying someone is stupid). I've found it a strong indicator of whether or not an individual truly understands his subject matter that he/she could explain it to a 6th grader in fairly intricate but understandable details. Would I find someone who was posting something erroneous about aviation (and wished to correct it) I'd probably start of with the basic facts, maybe do a "how it works" discussion, and go from there.

I wouldn't expect someone to think too much of my piloting skills (and even less of my ORM/CRM skills !) if my first response to everything was defensive and essentially saying everyone else was stupid except for me (without even presenting a credible point of view or rationale for my response).

Squirrel, you'll kindly note that I'm not basing this on ANY political opinions just on the inability to see very basic psychological manipulation, identify group dynamics and propaganda, and understand indoctrination -- as well as from some basic medical knowledge issues which to me personally seem to be a bit striking.

In any case, ANY vaccine has some risks; with most all vaccines these are very minor (but NOT zero) and the benefit far outweigh the risks. I have had some reactions to vaccinations and live vaccines (I've gotten all kinds of vaccinations while I served for all kinds of areas of the world). Yes, in my case it was well "worth it" --including the anthrax series (which I made the DECISION to get AFTER consulting with a qualified flight surgeon WHOM I TRUSTED) but maybe not if under different circumstances. For some target groups in H1N1 I'd say this is likely the case (but ALWAYS certainly the individuals' or parents' CHOICE). For others, given the virulence of the strain (and the likely delay in getting the vaccine) I think the "State of Emergency" has been largely overstated (but again shows the overwhelming incompetence of this regime in doing anything but destroying what actually WORKS in the U.S. today). Like I said in the previous post the risks from this vaccine are likely low and comparable to most other flu vaccines; only THE INDIVIDUAL can weigh this for himself/herself.

I would note that the huge volumetric ramp-up of the vaccine development to field it quickly might have some potential quality assurance issues that a more cohesive and methodical development might not have had. Possibly akin to how my last 2 Taurus guns (manufactured during the Gun Boom--no pun intended) had to be returned to the factory for some fairly glaring mechanical problems right out of the box (which should have been discovered in manufacturing and at least I believe the rapid product development/manufacturing played a role in this).

Bottom line is that one always needs to evaluate the potential risks vs. the potential benefits from one's PERSONAL point of view and press from there. For me, at this point, the H1N1 vaccine doesn't have the potential benefit (nor will it likely be available anyway before the event is either over or I wind up with the flu).

Cheers and good luck

[TGF]

Quote:       Originally Posted by squirrelblaster

lol, im not sure if this guy is joking and i missed it or if he is just frustrated and decided that slander was his best option.... this guy at least based his strange theory that TT is not credible on his own misguided medical views. txplt basically said that he does not trust her medical opinion because of her politic.... and that because she "she cant see threw the medias lies" no offence but thinking that all media except fox is part of some world wide conspiracy to keep republicans down is...... well stupid...... as for the shot im going to get it the second i can, and i think that you all should to. not only so that you don’t get sick but so you dont end up spreading it to your kids and to other people...... if you dont get the flu...then you cant spread the flu...... by the way TT is correct about tht girl..... she is either faking or its in here head......... i don’t doubt that may be a 1 in 100,000 chance that it would couse nirve damage or something else..... But what that girl is displaying is not nirve damage and if you cant see that then frankly you just need to go back to school or stop pretending you actually graduated high school

My post was the only one that contained a "credible source" yours was the one filled with conjecture and speculation. The numbers don't lie, and if the CDC is a credible source I am right, and you an T are just attacking others because your world view does not fit reality.

[TexasT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TargetGunFan

TexasT isn't a real doctor she just plays one on the interweb. I don't respect her medical opinion she has posted several silly things, just like the psychosis bit. Since T is unable to find the CDC site I have provided her a link CDC H1N1 Flu | General Questions and Answers on 2009 H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Safety Adverse nervous system reactions to the vaccine are estimated to be around 1 in 100,000 according the the CDC. If you are in the low risk group age 25-64 with no health issues, the flu is less likely to hurt you. This is all based on the numbers. I didn't really crunch them for the younger or older groups. The net is if you are healthy getting the flu shot is a dumb idea.

Won't even bother clicking the link because I'm quite sure you're talking about GBS. Yep, it's been documented that there have been people who got the flu shot and developed GBS afterwards. You know what? You can get GBS from having the flu, and other viral illnesses. Your point? I believe I've stated that before. Nothing is 100%. Believe I've stated that before too. With everything you take a risk. You walk out of your door, you take a risk. Drive down the highway and take a risk. Eat a peanut and take a risk. Everything has risks, that's not what I'm talking about. My post was to specifically address this cheerleader's "neurologic" problem. You on the other hand did not address what was in my post. You went onto other illnesses that are real. My point was that stuff like this cheerleader's psychogenic/hoax illness are scaring people away from something that does not cause problems for most people. Then there are people who actually believe this junk, and it was on a tabloid news show! Then they go spreading the false information around to everyone else. "If you get a flu shot you could end up like that cheerleader." BS. You will end up like the cheerleader listening to the conspiracy theorists say flu shots are bad, they cause xyz, yadda yadda yadda. So pat yourself on the back for helping this poor girl develop psychogenic dystonia. You should be proud of yourself.

[TexasT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TXplt

For my portion, thanks for the "non-response." Kind of interesting you can make a "psychosis" diagnosis simply from a video--I sure as heck would be hard pressed to find a probable cause (along with all the corresponding findings) of an accident solely from a cursory viewing of a U-tube video. To be honest, from where I stand I have yet to see a depth of medical knowledge from any of your posts that I would personally consider acceptable (or gleaned from any source other than the internet) but this is only my personal impression (but I do personally know many experienced physicians, flight physiologists, flight surgeons, and others responsible for medical evaluations and certifications; as well as coordinated on physiological / psychological / task management studies and served with same on mishap investigation boards--as well as worked with them over the last 20 years or so. I think the latter would give me at least a little "lick" of medical knowledge in some areas--but in any case I NEVER spouted any medical advice to anyone regarding this--NOR did I say the vaccine was "unsafe"; quite the contrary if you actually read my post--only that it is an individual CHOICE and you need to make the CHOICE for you and your family with knowledge of the risks (which are never zero)--and what my personal CHOICE will likely be). I'm not saying that you're NOT a doctor or potentially qualified as such; just that your posts to me personally to date seem inconsistent with what I'd expect from someone who received training in the field. Kind of like to me reading posts about someone who claims to be a pilot yet exhibits some basic gaps in aviation knowledge which make me question the individuals' background. It'd be like someone claiming to be a commercial pilot but unable to explain/identify how the reversers or autobrakes systems of his aircraft operated and when someone challenged him about it throwing darts at him telling the individual how little he knew about anything aviation related. Again, don't mean to be mean but that is the impression I am getting. It might help from my perspective if you actually cited some data or facts on occasion and put them into a form individuals could understand (instead of just saying someone is stupid). I've found it a strong indicator of whether or not an individual truly understands his subject matter that he/she could explain it to a 6th grader in fairly intricate but understandable details. Would I find someone who was posting something erroneous about aviation (and wished to correct it) I'd probably start of with the basic facts, maybe do a "how it works" discussion, and go from there. I wouldn't expect someone to think too much of my piloting skills (and even less of my ORM/CRM skills !) if my first response to everything was defensive and essentially saying everyone else was stupid except for me (without even presenting a credible point of view or rationale for my response). Squirrel, you'll kindly note that I'm not basing this on ANY political opinions just on the inability to see very basic psychological manipulation, identify group dynamics and propaganda, and understand indoctrination -- as well as from some basic medical knowledge issues which to me personally seem to be a bit striking. In any case, ANY vaccine has some risks; with most all vaccines these are very minor (but NOT zero) and the benefit far outweigh the risks. I have had some reactions to vaccinations and live vaccines (I've gotten all kinds of vaccinations while I served for all kinds of areas of the world). Yes, in my case it was well "worth it" --including the anthrax series (which I made the DECISION to get AFTER consulting with a qualified flight surgeon WHOM I TRUSTED) but maybe not if under different circumstances. For some target groups in H1N1 I'd say this is likely the case (but ALWAYS certainly the individuals' or parents' CHOICE). For others, given the virulence of the strain (and the likely delay in getting the vaccine) I think the "State of Emergency" has been largely overstated (but again shows the overwhelming incompetence of this regime in doing anything but destroying what actually WORKS in the U.S. today). Like I said in the previous post the risks from this vaccine are likely low and comparable to most other flu vaccines; only THE INDIVIDUAL can weigh this for himself/herself. I would note that the huge volumetric ramp-up of the vaccine development to field it quickly might have some potential quality assurance issues that a more cohesive and methodical development might not have had. Possibly akin to how my last 2 Taurus guns (manufactured during the Gun Boom--no pun intended) had to be returned to the factory for some fairly glaring mechanical problems right out of the box (which should have been discovered in manufacturing and at least I believe the rapid product development/manufacturing played a role in this). Bottom line is that one always needs to evaluate the potential risks vs. the potential benefits from one's PERSONAL point of view and press from there. For me, at this point, the H1N1 vaccine doesn't have the potential benefit (nor will it likely be available anyway before the event is either over or I wind up with the flu). Cheers and good luck

You are just trying to find reasons to insult. What I asked you to do was think about the symptoms she has and if they make sense. You don't have to know medicine say hmm...something just ain't right here. You disregarded that and continued on with the insults. Again if you read what I wrote and ask yourself those questions without trying to make insults then you will come to the conclusion that the cheerleader's symptoms are not possible. If you rather, I could give a lesson on how the brain works, damage to the brain, and how the cheerleader's symptoms don't make sense from a neurologic standpoint.

And I personally know many physicians from many specialties. So, what's your point that you're close with a few? I know a few hundred. Big deal. I guess my opinion is more valid than yours if we use that logic.

[Cyrano]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Chris

I'm a little nervous as that cheerleader response to the vaccine as she was in great health....now her life is completely ruined.

Chris, it was the seasonal flu vaccine that got her, not the H1N1 swine flu 'vaccine.' Her reaction is very rare, but not unheard-of. If this were a military operation, poor Ms. Jennings would be considered "collateral damage."

As I have a perfect record with flu vaccines - give me the flu shot and I come down with the flu - I'm avoiding both the H1N1 and the seasonal vaccines like the plague (pun intended). I feel I'm better off with prophylactic measures like frequent hand-washing, avoiding crowded places as much as possible than I am risking my health with a seasonal vaccine that may or may not work and a 'vaccine' for swine flu that has things like squalene, ethyl mercury , nanoparticles and possbily live avian flu virus in it.

[dhermesc]

One son got the H1N1 shot - he's not healthy enough for the live virus nasal spray, the other son got the nasal spray. Our older son nearly died three years ago after he developed pneumonia from the seasonal flu (after getting a flu shot) and spent two weeks in a PICU.

I feel (personal non medical advice) the seasonal flu shots are a waste of time. The CDC attempts to predict the strain that will be common in the coming flu season - if they are wrong you get poked and still get the flu. If you look it up you'll find they haven't effectively predicted the flu virus in several years.

For years the medical industry has claimed that letting your children catch the flu doesn't build immunity later in life. Now we find that is incorrect - older adults have immunity to H1N1 due to similar strains having made the rounds in the early 1960s and another in the early 1980s. Despite them tactically acknowledging it in setting the priorities in who gets H1N1 shots they still claim that you don't build immunity.

We had our children get inoculated because H1N1 virus has been identified and is active - they aren't guessing like they do with the seasonal flu shots. There are rare cases of reactions to the shots, just as there are rare cases of people dieing or becoming disabled due to having the flu. Remember over 36,000 people a year DIE from the seasonal flu in the US.

CDC - Seasonal Influenza (Flu) - Q & A: Questions and Answers Regarding Estimating Deaths from Influenza in the United States

[TXplt]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

You are just trying to find reasons to insult. What I asked you to do was think about the symptoms she has and if they make sense. You don't have to know medicine say hmm...something just ain't right here. You disregarded that and continued on with the insults. Again if you read what I wrote and ask yourself those questions without trying to make insults then you will come to the conclusion that the cheerleader's symptoms are not possible. If you rather, I could give a lesson on how the brain works, damage to the brain, and how the cheerleader's symptoms don't make sense from a neurologic standpoint. And I personally know many physicians from many specialties. So, what's your point that you're close with a few? I know a few hundred. Big deal. I guess my opinion is more valid than yours if we use that logic.

NOTHING I posted was an "insult" -or in any way intended to be- in any way--you might wish to re-read it. But your response to me was pretty typical from what I've seen so far.

Again, I believe you might develop more credibility (at least with me) in the medical arena if your posts didn't simply jump on the defensive, become judgmental without any concrete justifications on your part and effectively say "you're stupid" to everyone else (WITHOUT any justification of your perspective or basis in fact). And it certainly doesn't seem very "friendly" to me.

Despite what I see to be an apparently dogmatic viewpoint, you might wish to consider that some things might happen in life in which you need to go into some depth to find out what really happened (and it might NOT be what you thought it to be). US Air 427 was such a case and it took literally years of repetitive cycling of the rudder power control unit under harsh environmentals to discover that not only was a rudder reversal possible but the likely cause of the accident (albeit it had never happened until the accident and the probability was infinitely small).

To this day the combination of pre-war vaccinations, Pyridostigmine Bromide tablets, and trace exposure to neurological agents (including sarin as well as other toxins) have resulted in the very rare but very real neurological symptoms of some of our returning soldiers from the first gulf war. Are you prepared to discount those out of hand as well ? Or are these simply some form of "psychosis" as well (and it's this very broad and very quick rush to use the term which could make one seriously question your depth of knowledge in the psychological and medical field in the first place--although I personally suspect you might like to use the term out of convenience because it sounds bad). We certainly haven't figured out why any of this has happened to those who have experienced GWS's symptoms (or to a large extent acknologed that it has happened either).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome

I might also add that before we rush to judgment and assume that any medication that is made for a crisis is "safe" simply because the gov't says so, we would do well to consider that this was the same gov't that intentionally exposed troops to high levels of radiation in above ground tests (to determine fighting capability) as well as maintained there were not long-term toxic effects of Agent Orange. I still remember the A-bomb test video (with troops a few kilometers away)--as well as an individual intentionally ingesting agent orange to "prove" it was benign as they were pushing the Anthrax vaccine (which most of us took--including myself--because the potential benefit far outweighed the risk). But it was the credibility issue that caused the problem in the first place. We simply don't have a very good track record.

AND it's getting far worse with the Hussein regime and the continuing spin, lying and re-branding of everything. It's no wonder folks don't trust any words coming out of the mouth of these folks (which isn't good because SOMETIMES it is actually true). We've lost millions of jobs and the porkulus is "working" ? If it works much better we'll all be unemployed next year. We pay in for 10 years of health care for 5 years of returns and somehow this accounting trick (based on optimistic revenue estimates to begin with) makes it "deficit neutral" -- using the same logic we'd only need to pay off HALF of our cars or houses (AND we could plan on a 20% raise every year). We're told we can "keep" our health insurance with full knowledge of the regime that the insurance will be unavailable in a couple of years ? We're supposed to be fooled that "environmental security" isn't actually Cap and Tax ? Or that "consumer choice" is different than a forced public option simply because we've changed the name ? Or that "employee free choice act" is actually "union twist the arms of employees to unionize" act -- ANYTHING but free choice ?!! How stupid do these malcreants think we are ?!!

Anyway I wish you good luck and all the best.

[grizcty]

With out getting long winded.
My answer is simple.

HELL NO!!!

[TGF]

Wow, T just blamed people's free speech rights for causing the cheer leaders illness, i love the twisted logic she uses. I actually fear for her patients. Maybe you could offer some free medical help to the cheerleader and punch her in the face till she believes you that she isn't ill since its all in her head...

Dystonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While wiki isn't considered a credible source it is a great place to start and learn about what this cheerleader is suffering from. If you take a look the disease can be caused by....several components of the flu shot.

Tsk tsk T, I think your medical qualifications are being compromised by your world view.

[TexasT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TargetGunFan

Wow, T just blamed people's free speech rights for causing the cheer leaders illness, i love the twisted logic she uses. I actually fear for her patients. Maybe you could offer some free medical help to the cheerleader and punch her in the face till she believes you that she isn't ill since its all in her head... Dystonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia While wiki isn't considered a credible source it is a great place to start and learn about what this cheerleader is suffering from. If you take a look the disease can be caused by....several components of the flu shot. Tsk tsk T, I think your medical qualifications are being compromised by your world view.

You think your opinion is being helped by wikipedia references? Go learn about how the brain works then come back and tell me if you can run forward but not walk forward since I'm so wrong.

[TXplt]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TexasT

You think your opinion is being helped by wikipedia references? Go learn about how the brain works then come back and tell me if you can run forward but not walk forward since I'm so wrong.

So, how does the brain work ?

Are you asserting that we know everything about how the human brain works ?

Maybe you could begin to demonstrate your knowledge by telling us how aspirin works to cure headaches ? Or what causes the garden variety headache in the first place ?

At least if you asked me what was run off the #1 hydraulic system on my airplane I would tend to answer you rather than scoff at you.

Anyway, enough of this for me--good luck in your endeavors. I'd humbly suggest someday you might want to develop at least a little sense of humility -- at least from what seems to be the case I've seen so far. I wouldn't proport to be able to solve all the world's flying issues.

[TheWall]

Got the flu shot but not the H1N1 yet.

[Lex1785]

Nope, like many others the few times I did get the flu shot which is three, Once as a cop and twice as Cadre, I got really sick. when I didn't get it, don't remember getting sick.

As to the H1N1, it just seems to rushed to me. reminds me of the first batch of Anthrax Vaccines. No conspiracy I just don't trust rushed medicine. If its going to be done it should be done, Right, Slow and Sure.

[TexasT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TXplt

So, how does the brain work ? Are you asserting that we know everything about how the human brain works ? Maybe you could begin to demonstrate your knowledge by telling us how aspirin works to cure headaches ? Or what causes the garden variety headache in the first place ? At least if you asked me what was run off the #1 hydraulic system on my airplane I would tend to answer you rather than scoff at you. Anyway, enough of this for me--good luck in your endeavors. I'd humbly suggest someday you might want to develop at least a little sense of humility -- at least from what seems to be the case I've seen so far. I wouldn't proport to be able to solve all the world's flying issues.

I believe in my first post I said that the same part of the brain that allows you to walk, allows you to run. So if you can't walk, you shouldn't be able to run. I was trying to put that in terms so that people would understand. It seems simple enough to me. Headaches are generally thought to be caused by vasodilation and/or muscle tension.

BTW, you can't compare the body to a plane. There is a lot of unknown about the body, though it is a machine in it cannot be simply explained like the science behind an aircraft. Apples and oranges.

[TexasT]

YouTube - FOX NEWS FLU SHOT HOAX

YouTube - FOX NEWS FLU SHOT HOAX