[tappedandtagged]

Quote:       Originally Posted by kortik

No, Mr. Purdy, how did you come to the conclusion that Russians had problems in the period of time between 1941 and 1945 because the can of ammo you bought recently didn't do well with your particular MN? Did you start shooting in 1940's at the Eastern Front? On which side did you shoot?

I don't remember Purdy stating any time period. It was the other guys and you that did.

[killsnapz]

Quote:       Originally Posted by kortik

Michael, It's both bad and useless idea. Potential problems are not because of lacquer, but because of steel case. BTW, lacquer is the best anti-corrosion coating you can have for the ammo.

Good to know that. I guess we will just have to deal with the steel cased ammo and be happy we have cheap ammo to shoot.

Michael

[Mike82]

crap....i missed the kitty fight....billy, you shoulda called me, i'd have loved to add my 3cents in.....but better late than never eh? here goes: I Like PIE!!!

[kortik]

Mr. tap..................

Mr. Purdy stated:

"I got to thinking that the Russians must not have cared much about their troops as this would have been a real problem on the battle field. Of course in some battles they only gave rifles to every other man and a stripper clip of ammo to the alternates."

Now, as far as the common knowledge goes, the last time Russian troops used MNs on a massive scale was during the WWII, which ended in 1945.

I cannot imagine Mr. Purdy going into the memories of the WWI (1914-1918), while complaining about the problems with the ammo, which he's bought lately.

Having sad experience with said can of ammo Mr. Purdy bought in modern times, he then logically concluded that Russians did not care about their troops, cause Mr.Purdy's can of ammo gave him some troubles. He then kindly let us know that he shot since 1940's, which indicates that he could have been a participant in WWII related combat. As you can see for yourself, there is an obvious time frame.

I regret that Mr. Purdy had trouble with his can of ammo. I wish he had bought something better. That would have made him to conclude that Russians did care about their soldiers, which would be an opposite conclusion to his previous one.

In any case, I would recommend Mr. Purdy to buy some Hungarian LPS, excellent ammo with very good accuracy and no jamming problems in any MNs.

[Mike82]

"cleanup aisle 9"....isn't there a snivel, bitch and cuss thread in the mosin forums? Maybe this cat-fight should be moved there you guys.

[billy]

i tried to adress the sticking cases and what to do to rectify the problem.
but they are too busy fighting....
when i 1st got a mosin.
more than once i put it on the ground.
stood on it with one foot.
and KICKED the bolt open.

[Mike82]

this coming from the guy that uses used gear oil from a dumptruck's 6-ton diff to lube his mosins.... but yeah, never had it THAT hard, but got a mauser that likes to stick alot using winchester brass.

[LeftHandShooter]

Quote:       Originally Posted by gandog56

My Saiga eats ANYTHING!

Does it like Pizza?

[Mike82]

hey, i wonder if his saiga will shoot candy corns.

[Geo M44]

As Billy said...

Scrub the heck out of the receiver... On several of my MN's I had the sticky bolt using steel cased ammo problem. Completely cured by rigorous cleaning i.e. 12ga brush and brake cleaner.

[Purdy]

My Mosin is spotless inside and out, more scrubbing would be wasted energy and time. I am sure the problem is with the ammo that is not very uniform, again I assume for machineguns.
No, I didn't fight in WWII but I am a history buff and have talked with many who did.
My ammo was probably made some time in the 60's or 70's as I bought it in the late 80's. I don't expect Russian ammo made during the war was any better, probably not as good. War time production isn't known for its fine craftsmanship.

BTW I thought this was supposed to be a friendly gun forum but aparently that isn't entirely true.

[Wyld_Cat]

I think people may have reacted to your posts the way that they have because you made a broad generalisation about Russians and not liking their troops simply on the fact that you had 1 bad can of ammo.

I have a shocking batch of Albanian ammo from the 1980's. It seems to shoot ok but as far as looks go split necks, creases in the shoulder. I simply went through what i had bought and don't carry the really bad stuff to shoot.

I have seen a lot of good suggestions made here. I have heard of many Mosins that looked clean but had a tiny bit of crud hiding that was causing a lot of issues.

[killsnapz]

Some of the intitail comments were a bit harsh. I agree this is suppose to be the freindliest gun forum and there are alot of great people here. Alot of these guys know there stuff and when they suggest something I would give it a go even if you do not think it is the problem. It can't hurt anything to try what billy suggested. I think you will find that most people will agree that alot of the surplus 7.62 steel cased stuff does tend to want to stick a bit but I would not discount any suggestions from these guys here. They know therer stuff.

Michael

[SightNSqueeze]

Perhaps there weren’t a lot of problems during World War II because rifles were simply replaced as needed following bore obstructions, broken parts, and the like. I read that the Soviet Union was not heavily into maintenance anyway. They scrapped American supplied aircraft engines and the aircraft they were originally in rather than repair them, but took delivery of newly built aircraft while the earlier machines just sat and rusted. With all of the 10s or 100s of millions of Mosins manufactured from the 19th century to the post-World War II period, and with the cheap price in human resources, was there really an urgency to maintain ammunition standards during World War II or the Cold War that followed?

I hate to say it, but while some surplus ammo is great, others are a disappointment. Years ago, I bought a few cases of FNM 8x57mm Mauser ammo made in the 70s, and a few thousand rounds of FN Belgium .30-06 ball ammo made in the late 50s/early 60s. All of that is great ammo and I wish I had more. I also have some Turkish 8x57mm ammo and about a quarter of it have cracked case necks or loosely seated bullets. I bought them mainly for the Mauser charger clips they were in. I’ll shoot it, but I’ll have to be selective.

One day and unfortunately the stocks of surplus ammo from “that violent century” will dwindle away. Hopefully it will be replaced by cheap and clean “white box” ammo by companies like Aquila, Seller & Bellot, Wolf, and new unheard of upstart companies that will kick Remington, PMC, Winchester, and Federal and their prohibitively high prices to the curb.

[generoll]

just a note on the cleaning rod. they are the proper length when used with the attachments supplied in the cleaning kit. if you don't have one, there are plenty available on Ebay or Gunbroker.

[kortik]

From Mr. Purdy:

"I don't have the top of the tin as it was dumped. The cartridges are laquered but have no head stamp, nothing, nada. There was a paper sticker on the bottom of the tin "made in Russia" that isn't much info."

Anybody knows anything about 7.62x54R lacquered ammo with no head stamps?

Also, it appears to me that that "made in Russia" paper sticker was
a non-Russian sticker. Before collapse of the USSR, which happened in 1991, products from Russia were labeled "Made in the USSR".
That adds to the curious nature of Mr. Purdy's ammo, which, as he stated, he's bought in 1980's.


Anyway, who could potentially made this ammo with no headstamps?

[Mosin Shooter]

^Who knows Kortik....unfortunately, i can't come up with any other conclusion than that the gun is not completely clean. Old, encrusted cosmoline is like black ice, you can't see it until it starts to cause problems.

As to the cleaning rod, do what i did when i had a stuck case. Put the first couple of inches of the larger end of the rod down the barrel and let it drop. In most cases it should free up the case in a snap. If it doesn't, ram the rod down the barrel like they did with the cannons, if that doesn't free it up, you got more problems.

[kortik]

This is getting real interesting. I kind of knew this before, but decided to check respectable sources of info, and none of them mentions an existance of lacquered
7.62x54R with no headstamps. Also, this info is interesting:

WikiAnswers - What cartridges are known to have no headstamp markings what so ever or had undecipherable headstamp markings

Although this source mentions potential for uncovering cartridges w/o headstamps, it is also mentioned that such rifle cartridges, if exist, are pre-1930 production. However, there were no lacquered 7.62x54R produced at that time, which rules out that Mr. Purdy's ammo is pre-1930.

So, Mr. Purdy got something absolutely unique. It would be great if he could post some pictures of his ammo. I'm extremely curious to learn new things about my subject of interest.

[SightNSqueeze]

Maybe it was ammo that was not meant to be traced. Technologically advanced countries (not ours of course) have been known to keep difficult to trace guns and ammo on hand to avoid embarrassment. Note the unmarked Italian and French made man-portable anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons recovered in Iraq. Some of them were unmarked and delivered “after” the 1991 arms embargo.

[kortik]

I agree with you. It was untraceable ammo.

However, somebody very knowledgable figured it all out and put a sticker on it, clearly identifying country of origin, and then sold it to Mr. Purdy. I feel it's a real BS - I mean, of course, Big Story. This kind of ammo is so rare, I would suggest Mr. Purdy collects the rest of that unique ammo and makes really good money offering it for sale to the ammo collectors.