[TomcatPC]

Hello

Good old West Country Scrumpy LOL (like I can comment, my family has been in the U.S for three generations now, anyway I quit the drink shortly after I got out of the Service LOL)...heard all about that stuff LOL. What is the local North Somerset "commercial" brand of Scrumpy? something like "Thatcher's"?

I really hope to see the Mendips and Chew Valley soon someday. I'd love to find family as well...kind of nervous meeting them if I do locate someone LOL. Maybe even take in a Wurzels show LOL. Since this is a Lee-Enfield Rifle forum, I will shut up now LOL.
Thanks
Mark

[frenchy]

Sounds like that would be a really fun trip Tomcat!

[chris l]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TomcatPC

Hello What is the local North Somerset "commercial" brand of Scrumpy? something like "Thatcher's"?

Thatchers is commercial cider now, when I started buying it in the 70s from the farm, it was 56p a gallon. About what, eighty cents?

The old maker was Stanley Thatcher, his boys run it now...

Thatchers: Home

Runs between 6 and 8% abv.

Wipes out Saturday mornings, too. I surfaced at lunchtime.

Getting old....

[TomcatPC]

Hello

I an attempt to keep this topic going, but yet keep it "valid" for a Lee-Enfield Forum, but keep the "West Country/Somerset Flavour" going as well LOL.

Has anyone been to the Somerset Light Infantry Regiment's museum in Taunton, Somerset?, any decent Lee-Enfield Rifles on display there?

When I was in England last time (and only time...so far, I intend to change that as soon as I can) I did a real quick run-through the I.W.M. (really want to go back and spend a few days there) I saw a few Lee-Enfields, but had to go through real quick in order to catch the coach to the West-Midlands.

I also went through the Staffordshire Yeomanry Museum in Stafford, Staffs., and they had some great Lee-Enfields. That was the first time I saw a Lee-Metford and "Long Lee-Enfield" (I don't recall which Mk. they were) and Lee-Enfield Carbine (Victorian/Boer War era carbine, not the No.5 Mk.I) in person. Of course they had the more common (more common to me at least, being born 3 generations and an ocean away) S.M.L.E./No.1 Mk.III and the No.4 Mk.I Rifles. If I recall correctly, somebody made a mistake and miss-identified the S.M.L.E. as the "Short Muzzle Lee-Enfield" LOL. Anyway, I am grateful to have seen the museum and will return given the chance.

When ever I get to make it to the West Country, looking forward to seeing the Somerset Military Museum in Taunton, Somerset. Sort of off topic, but oh well.
Thanks
Mark

[chris l]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TomcatPC

Hello I an attempt to keep this topic going, but yet keep it "valid" for a Lee-Enfield Forum, but keep the "West Country/Somerset Flavour" going as well LOL. Has anyone been to the Somerset Light Infantry Regiment's museum in Taunton, Somerset?, any decent Lee-Enfield Rifles on display there? When I was in England last time (and only time...so far, I intend to change that as soon as I can) I did a real quick run-through the I.W.M. (really want to go back and spend a few days there) I saw a few Lee-Enfields, but had to go through real quick in order to catch the coach to the West-Midlands. I also went through the Staffordshire Yeomanry Museum in Stafford, Staffs., and they had some great Lee-Enfields. That was the first time I saw a Lee-Metford and "Long Lee-Enfield" (I don't recall which Mk. they were) and Lee-Enfield Carbine (Victorian/Boer War era carbine, not the No.5 Mk.I) in person. Of course they had the more common (more common to me at least, being born 3 generations and an ocean away) S.M.L.E./No.1 Mk.III and the No.4 Mk.I Rifles. If I recall correctly, somebody made a mistake and miss-identified the S.M.L.E. as the "Short Muzzle Lee-Enfield" LOL. Anyway, I am grateful to have seen the museum and will return given the chance. When ever I get to make it to the West Country, looking forward to seeing the Somerset Military Museum in Taunton, Somerset. Sort of off topic, but oh well. Thanks Mark

Consider Cobbaton, too, Cobbaton Combat Collection military museum and tourist attraction North Devon

One man's dream made real. Very impressive!

[peterb632]

Interesting picture but looks like he is not using a normal Enfield cord pull through?. Could he be using the metal Mauser type chain pull through?.
I don't know if they were favoured by the Tommy or not, but I did find one complete with tin box among my Dad's stuff after he passed on. Obviously he had picked it up during his wartime travels.
Peter (Ontario, Canada)

Quote:       Originally Posted by Alan De Enfield

A 'Real' No4T A picture from the book "D-Day, A battle for Normandy" by Antony Beevor ISBN 978-0-670-88703-3 Grooved handguard, hollowed out bolt handle.

[Cyrano]

Don't know if you guys might be interested, but the latest Shooter's catalog from The Sportsman's Guide is advertising spare/replacement Enfield No. 1 Mk. III magazines that are compatible with the Enfield No. 4 Mk I. This just might make me reconsider my not acquiring an Enfield, even though I'm a little reluctant to complicate my ammo situation. Item number is AXA-106826. Cost is $19.97 each.

[TomcatPC]

Hello

Thanks for the link Chris I will have to check it out and put it on the list of things to see. That is in Devon?, looks like there is a lot of fun things to be had in the West Country. They even have a working NAAFI Canteen Wagon, can't beat that LOL.

Is this also in Devon?,the Bovington Armour Museum/Centre? , or something called something like that? Oh well, just have to save up and visit in person. Thanks
Mark

[Alan De Enfield]

The tank museum is a bit further East ( but still along the South Coast) heres a link :

Welcome to the Tank Museum - Home of the Tank - Welcome to the Tank Museum - Home of the Tank

[chris l]

And in South Devon you'll want to pay respects to the dead of Exercise Tiger, who lie in, around, and offshore Slapton...

Nearly a thousand died in this debacle, many more than the two hundred who were killed on the beach for which this operation was a rehearsal.

Exercise Tiger: The Slapton Sands Sherman Tank Memorial Website | History of Exercise Tiger - Page 1

We are a small country, with a lot of history... much of it only hours apart.

[Alan De Enfield]

Quote:       Originally Posted by chris l

And in South Devon you'll want to pay respects to the dead of Exercise Tiger, who lie in, around, and offshore Slapton... Nearly a thousand died in this debacle, many more than the two hundred who were killed on the beach for which this operation was a rehearsal. Exercise Tiger: The Slapton Sands Sherman Tank Memorial Website | History of Exercise Tiger - Page 1 We are a small country, with a lot of history... much of it only hours apart.

The difference between Americans and the British - one thinks a 100 years is a long time, whilst the other thinks a 100 miles is a long way.

[madcratebuilder]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Alan De Enfield

The difference between Americans and the British - one thinks a 100 years is a long time, whilst the other thinks a 100 miles is a long way.

How true, very few structures in the US over 250 years old, few on the west cost over 150 years old. A lot of history in those years with so much of it tied to Britain, as both allies and adversaries. You guys did burn down the first White House

100 miles, I know guys that have a longer commute to work. In the west we measure distance by time, not miles.

[frenchy]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

Don't know if you guys might be interested, but the latest Shooter's catalog from The Sportsman's Guide is advertising spare/replacement Enfield No. 1 Mk. III magazines that are compatible with the Enfield No. 4 Mk I. This just might make me reconsider my not acquiring an Enfield, even though I'm a little reluctant to complicate my ammo situation. Item number is AXA-106826. Cost is $19.97 each.

Thanks Cyrano , checked it out in my new catalog I'll be buying at least 2

[Alan De Enfield]

In the Uk we have problems buying guns, applying to the Police in advance to see if we can have it added to our licence. etc.

In the "land of the free", it seems you can pretty much buy at will, it therefore is a constant source of amazement to me when I see a post with something like "This just might make me reconsider my not acquiring an Enfield" because of the availability of a repro magzine.

Think about it - sporterised Enfields are (still) commonly seen around the $100- $130 mark (I'm in the UK but still see them in the USA & Canada at these prices) buy one of these and what do you get :
Spare Butt Bolt & washer
Spare trigger guard, trigger, sear, magazine catch, pivot pins
Spare magazine (original)
Spare bolt body, firing pin spring, firing pin, and maybe a bolt head.
Spare assorted screws
Maybe, spare rear sight, sight pivot pin, plunger and spring

Strip the bits off it, and either keep the barreled action or sell it on ($40 - $50 ???) and you've got yourself (almost) a spare everything for around $50

[Dan K. Evans]

How can determine if my 5/1 is original or a remake? Some details are: SN H 1515 (on the metal clamp that attaches the stock to the receiver, on the underside of the upper hand guard, and on the magazine bottom); NO 5 MK 1 U-King - right side of barrel; M/470 (the zero could be a C) - on left side of the front site; 47A - on barrel clamp with sling swivel; C.A.I. ST ALB VT; Flash hidder - Frt. site - bayo lug all one piece. All the numbers seem old and somewhat faded, and none are electro-penciled. It was purchased from SOG some 10-12 years ago. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks for letting me get in on this thread. Dan

[Alan De Enfield]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Dan K. Evans

How can determine if my 5/1 is original or a remake? Some details are: SN H 1515 (on the metal clamp that attaches the stock to the receiver, on the underside of the upper hand guard, and on the magazine bottom); NO 5 MK 1 U-King - right side of barrel; M/470 (the zero could be a C) - on left side of the front site; 47A - on barrel clamp with sling swivel; C.A.I. ST ALB VT; Flash hidder - Frt. site - bayo lug all one piece. All the numbers seem old and somewhat faded, and none are electro-penciled. It was purchased from SOG some 10-12 years ago. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks for letting me get in on this thread. Dan

It sounds OK but pics would help.
Take off the handguard and look for the lightening cuts on the barrel, look for the lightening cuts on the receiver.

Pic shows a No4 on top with a No5 below.

[TomcatPC]

Hello

When I posted this photo of my latest Lee-Enfield Rifle, I never thought this topic would morph into Scrumpy, West County geography, museums, and now how to identify a No.5 Mk.I action body LOL.
Thanks
Mark

[madcratebuilder]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Dan K. Evans

How can determine if my 5/1 is original or a remake? Some details are: SN H 1515 (on the metal clamp that attaches the stock to the receiver, on the underside of the upper hand guard, and on the magazine bottom); NO 5 MK 1 U-King - right side of barrel; M/470 (the zero could be a C) - on left side of the front site; 47A - on barrel clamp with sling swivel; C.A.I. ST ALB VT; Flash hidder - Frt. site - bayo lug all one piece. All the numbers seem old and somewhat faded, and none are electro-penciled. It was purchased from SOG some 10-12 years ago. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks for letting me get in on this thread. Dan

The one item seldom faked is the cuts to the knox form under the hand guard at the breech.

From your description you have a BSA No5 MkI, and sounds correct.

[Dan K. Evans]

Madcratebuilder and Alan De Enfield:
What do the cuts under the handguard and other places look like? I have 3 Enfields but have spent little time with them. Thanks.

[Alan De Enfield]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Dan K. Evans

Madcratebuilder and Alan De Enfield: What do the cuts under the handguard and other places look like? I have 3 Enfields but have spent little time with them. Thanks.

Look at the pic I posted showing the No4 and No5 action.

The two biggest differences :
a) Look at the barrel where it joins the knox form. The No5 is 'scalloped', the No4 isnt.
b) Look at the area between the rear sight pivot point and the charger bridge. The No5 is much reduced in that area.

Other smaller differneces - example : The trigger guard on the No5 is 'waisted' between the trigger and the front trigger guard screw. The No4 isnt. The rear sight on a No5 is only 800yds. A No4 will probably be 1200 yds.