I mangaged to buy my Dad's Winslow 22-250 from him. He's 90 and probably hasn't shot it in 25 years or so. I believe he got the rifle in the 60's. I went out a week or so ago to sight it in at 200 yards but I started at 100 to make sure I was on the paper. With my ammo it shot the first 4 at 8 o'clock a couple of inches out. I dialed in two gradations right, which the label inside the cap said would be 1" at 100 yards. The group moved 3" right and 6" down. I dialed in about 6 gradations up, which should have been 3", and the group moved up and to the left about 2". I think the scope needs rebuilt. It's the original Redfield 3-9 and I'd like to keep the way Dad bought it. I've talked with the folks at Iron Sight in Tulsa about a rebuild and the price is really reasonable but the wait time is 5 to 6 months and I can live with that since I have another scope I can put on it in the interim. Rings, bases, and all are tight. Now, to finish an already long story, is there anything else I should check before I ship the scope to Tulsa? Has anyone had Iron Sight rebuild scopes for them?
Thanks a lot.
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I'm assuming that it is 1 click is 1/2" at 100 yds. if the scope is mounted square, with the vertical in direct line with the bore centerline, and all the mounts and bases are tight, then it sounds like it could need work. thats also assuming the gun did not start shooting differently with some fouling built up. I normally run 10 rounds thru a gun with cool down periods in between before trying to fine tune a scope's zero. some brand new guns as well as older guns with some barrel wear tend to shoot a bit different with some fouling in the barrel.
Thanks, DZ. I also assumed that 1 gradation is 1/2" at 100 yards. The label inside the cap didn't say anything about the distance. At any rate, it should have gone only right since I didn't touch the up/down knob. It didn't click either, just really stiff to turn. I plan to take the rifle out and shoot several rounds through it to see if it moves on its own without changing the scope. This is a very nice custom rifle and I know Dad hasn't shot it all that much. He mostly shot fox, ground hog, and squirrel with it. No prairie dogs where the round count goes up pretty fast sometimes. The bore was nice and clean when I started and I have a hard time believing that four rounds would foul it up that bad. Anyway, thanks again for the response. I wanted to be sure I was on the right track since I'm primarily an IPSC pistol shooter.
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Thanks, DZ. I also assumed that 1 gradation is 1/2" at 100 yards. The label inside the cap didn't say anything about the distance. At any rate, it should have gone only right since I didn't touch the up/down knob. It didn't click either, just really stiff to turn. I plan to take the rifle out and shoot several rounds through it to see if it moves on its own without changing the scope. This is a very nice custom rifle and I know Dad hasn't shot it all that much. He mostly shot fox, ground hog, and squirrel with it. No prairie dogs where the round count goes up pretty fast sometimes. The bore was nice and clean when I started and I have a hard time believing that four rounds would foul it up that bad. Anyway, thanks again for the response. I wanted to be sure I was on the right track since I'm primarily an IPSC pistol shooter.
supisingly it may not take much in the way of fouling to change the way a gun shoots. all of my long range guns have a log book that tells me what the cold, clean, bore zero is suppose to be. I check this info when I fire my first shot, but temperature plays a bit into this as well. one will shift the zero point an inch down after several rounds (10+). but anyway, new rifles can deposit jacket fouling against the sharp edges of the rifling due to not being broke in yet. older guns with some throat erosion can shoot better after several rounds have passed thru them. I've seen it happen many times with different guns (mostly varmint guns) but I'm not exactly sure as to why this occurs.
PS I also use to shoot IPSC in the early days (back in the 80's) when it was first starting out.
OK, DZ, I'll make sure the bore is clean before I go out and see what the gun is doing. I'll let you know what happens.
I started shooting IPSC "style" back in the last half of the 70's. Started with a 6" Python in a strap holster and speedloaders in my hip pocket. It was like the old days of sprint car racing, you run what you brung. I only shoot three or four club matches a year now but it's still fun and I'm still able to hold my place in the bottom 1/2 of the pack. I'm a tad slower and quite a bit heavier but I'm still getting the hits, which is what I'm more interested in.
Thanks again for the help.
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Hey, SS. If you have the same scope, does it "click" at each gradation or just move without a click? All my other scopes are newer and click into a detent at each stop. Thanks.
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I use ABO USA Inc. in Miami, FL. to repair scopes...
It took about 3-1/2 Months to get it Back and cost less than 75.00
Total with shipping and Insurance .
It seems to be fine...
Rich
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I'd take a real close look at your base and rings. I have the same redfield on a 7mm Mag and it was still holding zero.
Thats a very good point. a visual wiggle test may not show anything. it will not hurt to remove the bases and clean things up really good, get screw threads oil free, then locktite the bases back on. tight, secure bases are a must with any setup. it cant hurt, and may help the situation.
I went out and shot it yesterday and the gun grouped just fine so I'm satisfied that the rifle is OK. One thing I do have a problem with is getting the eye relief right to get a full field of view. To do that I have to stretch my neck to get rid of all the black and that's uncomfortable. How much of a problem for accuracy is it if I don't have all the black gone? I think it could be a lot but I don't know and I think I should solve all the problems between the rifle and me before I send the scope off for rebuild. Thoughts? Suggestions?
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My whole family is like that. Blood is thicker than water but money talks and blood walks.
The only saving grace is that my Dad, gives me a Christmas or birthday present every year. Last Christmas it was the motor for my canoe. 3 years ago it was my Stevens 311a. I will have to buy his truck and boat, but I am hoping to get the rifles one at a time.
