[Diatribes]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rifle_Shaman

Ive thought about a fal, but i dont know jack about them. Well besides dont get a hesse receiver. Ill get both sooner or later.

Besides not getting Hesse or "Gear" stamped Century receivers, some of the things to check out are, double cut feed ramp, tight lock-up of upper and lower, barrel rifling, function of ejector and last round BHO. Having a metric is preferred by alot of people as parts are more easily aquired. Matching numbers on your kit would also be nice. Theres a section on forums regarding this from more knowledgable people than I

[Deussne]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Diatribes

Why wouldnt you take advantage of having the side rail and use that for a red dot? You can add/remove the dot and still hold zero (unless you have a crap dot) I have just ordered 2 side rail mounts (Guntec) for $19 each! For my Saiga .223 and S12. They look good are low profile and centered on the barrel. The .223 is getting a 3-9x30 and the 12 is getting a dot. Ive used Guntec side mounts before and theyre very nice and the side lock is adjustable.

Where can you buy them for that price?

[Diatribes]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Deussne

Where can you buy them for that price?

Ancient Chinese secret!
or...
Id tell you but Id have to kill you.

[Diatribes]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Deussne

Where can you buy them for that price?

Ok, heres a hint...

[Deussne]

thanks a lot

[Diatribes]

Got my siderail mounts from Shortyusa.com today. They are exactly like pictured. They are not Guntech and were in a box marked "Cyber Gun" They are identical to Guntech and K-Var's highly expensive side rail mount. All aluminum, completely adjustable, low profile, barrel centered and very secure. Im getting some optics tomorrow in the mail for both my Saiga 12 and .223 Ill post some pictures then. The dot Im getting for my 12 is going to change though. Today I won an ATN Ultra Sight off gunbroker for $43...

[Darth AkSarBen]

I vote for the Saiga in .308
BTW, that scope mount looks to have enough clearance to remove and replace the bolt carrier. On a Saiga .308 there is the 3rd lug that pushes hard on the hammer during re assembly. You have to literally push down on the left edge of the bolt as it fit's into the grove and push the bolt carrier forwad a bit. I had to dremel out a relief hole on my side scope mount to get my finger in there to do just that. I did not want to remove and replace the scope on my rifle, so I dissassemble it with the scope still on.

Pizza Hut box, 5 shots, Saiga .308, using Remington Core-LOKT 150 gr bullets, 100 yds. :

[Darth AkSarBen]

Saw that side rail mount. Also saw some flash hiders there that were all metal, 14mm CCW threads. Wonder if they would also work on a Saiga...hmmm price is right.

[Sprout47]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Darth AkSarBen

Saw that side rail mount. Also saw some flash hiders there that were all metal, 14mm CCW threads. Wonder if they would also work on a Saiga...hmmm price is right.

Too put a muzzle attachment on a Saiga you have to either cut the collar and thread the barrel or replace the front sight block with a 24mm threaded one. On the .308 Saiga's you have to replace the front sight block essentially as they are right at the end of the barrel.

[Deussne]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Sprout47

Too put a muzzle attachment on a Saiga you have to either cut the collar and thread the barrel or replace the front sight block with a 24mm threaded one. On the .308 Saiga's you have to replace the front sight block essentially as they are right at the end of the barrel.

On .308 all you do is pull the 2 pins out. Cut off the cap in front of the sight. Counterbore .85" from the back with the bit w/dia of .691"

Slide the FSB back one pin. Insert the front pin, drill out the rear pin in the barrel and then insert the rear pin. Now you should have close to 1" of barrel sticking out past the front sight. Which you can thread.

[Darth AkSarBen]

Done that. *S*

[Sprout47]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Deussne

On .308 all you do is pull the 2 pins out. Cut off the cap in front of the sight. Counterbore .85" from the back with the bit w/dia of .691" Slide the FSB back one pin. Insert the front pin, drill out the rear pin in the barrel and then insert the rear pin. Now you should have close to 1" of barrel sticking out past the front sight. Which you can thread.

Aren't the newer ones pressed on?

[Windwalker]

I vote for the Saiga 12. I would love to have one.

[just_a_car]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Windwalker

I vote for the Saiga 12. I would love to have one.

After having handled and fired two (one with full stock, one with folding tapco stock), I'll pass. They have a cool factor, but it quickly fades when you handle one.

1) They are HEAVY!... Especially compared to other quality shotguns.

2) Think about the reloading of the magazine versus reloading a tubular magazine. With a tube, you just slap some shells in on the fly or when you're running low. With the box mag of the Saiga, you have to remove the mag, load up and reinsert; way more time consuming and it means you have to take the muzzle off target.

One might argue "Yes, but you can carry a bunch of loaded mags to do quick changes" and I'd respond with "True, but think about how heavy those will get for how much ammo you'll carry versus just having shells on a bandoleer, belt, or other shell loops that can quickly be inserted into the loading port."

[Darth AkSarBen]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Sprout47

Aren't the newer ones pressed on?

My Saiga .308 has the 2 pins on it and I got it about 3 months ago, give or take. However mine was certified on 02-28-2006. Certified to shoot at < = 100mm. Well, it certainly does that in spades.

So, I don't know about any of the newer models. My front sight is still in the drawer. I have a scope on it now, and haven't gotten around to reaming out the rear part of the front sight to fit further back.

[Sprout47]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Darth AkSarBen

My Saiga .308 has the 2 pins on it and I got it about 3 months ago, give or take. However mine was certified on 02-28-2006. Certified to shoot at < = 100mm. Well, it certainly does that in spades. So, I don't know about any of the newer models. My front sight is still in the drawer. I have a scope on it now, and haven't gotten around to reaming out the rear part of the front sight to fit further back.

That is good to know. I think the local store has some 09's in I will check them out next time I am there and report back. Would be a reason to get an older model!

[Deussne]

Quote:       Originally Posted by just_a_car

After having handled and fired two (one with full stock, one with folding tapco stock), I'll pass. They have a cool factor, but it quickly fades when you handle one. 1) They are HEAVY!... Especially compared to other quality shotguns. 2) Think about the reloading of the magazine versus reloading a tubular magazine. With a tube, you just slap some shells in on the fly or when you're running low. With the box mag of the Saiga, you have to remove the mag, load up and reinsert; way more time consuming and it means you have to take the muzzle off target. One might argue "Yes, but you can carry a bunch of loaded mags to do quick changes" and I'd respond with "True, but think about how heavy those will get for how much ammo you'll carry versus just having shells on a bandoleer, belt, or other shell loops that can quickly be inserted into the loading port."

You can say whatever you want, I would never trade my S-12 for another shotgun unless its a $5k gun.
Cant beat a Drum (20) full of buckshot, that I can empty in a few seconds.
Argue that all you can.


Plus I get much higher scores while shooting trap with my S-12 and less reloading.
Compared to my friends trap gun.

[just_a_car]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Deussne

You can say whatever you want, I would never trade my S-12 for another shotgun unless its a $5k gun. Cant beat a Drum (20) full of buckshot, that I can empty in a few seconds. Argue that all you can.

Okay...

Let's see how quickly you can go through 40 rounds versus a (~$1300) Benelli M3 Super 90 with +2 mag tube giving it 8 rounds. I'd be willing to bet that if those 24 shells were on a bandoleer (for both situations) that the Benelli would drop 'em all faster. Especially if you had to start with an empty magazine.

Not saying I know what the result would be, but my money would be on the Benelli.

[Deussne]

I agree. My shotgun does not cost the price of a Benelli. I can guarantee that you can load a tube faster thats a no brainer. Im just saying 8 rds vs 20 rds... thats simple math. I do not think that you can dump 8 then reload 8 dump those and reload again dump 4 more any faster then I can dump 20, drop the drum and put another drum in. If you think that you need more then 100 rounds of shells at one time then I guess tube fed shotty is deff better. I would need time to reload my mags every 100 rounds. But when would a situation like that occur?

[Sprout47]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Deussne

I agree. My shotgun does not cost the price of a Benelli. I can guarantee that you can load a tube faster thats a no brainer. Im just saying 8 rds vs 20 rds... thats simple math. I do not think that you can dump 8 then reload 8 dump those and reload again dump 4 more any faster then I can dump 20, drop the drum and put another drum in. If you think that you need more then 100 rounds of shells at one time then I guess tube fed shotty is deff better. I would need time to reload my mags every 100 rounds. But when would a situation like that occur?

You know, this kind of reminds me of that youtube video of the soldier firing a semi-auto shotgun and reloading it by dropping a round in the chamber during the recoil. Pretty cool, highly impractical.