[Deussne]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Sprout47

You know, this kind of reminds me of that youtube video of the soldier firing a semi-auto shotgun and reloading it by dropping a round in the chamber during the recoil. Pretty cool, highly impractical.

What?? wow I would be afraid to get my fingers sliced off...
The trick to shooting semi-auto is to leave 1 round in the chamber. So as a good practice count your shots. 19 shots. drop the drum, load another. No need to charge the handle. Same works with mags.

[Sprout47]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Deussne

What?? wow I would be afraid to get my fingers sliced off... The trick to shooting semi-auto is to leave 1 round in the chamber. So as a good practice count your shots. 19 shots. drop the drum, load another. No need to charge the handle. Same works with mags.

Ya I tried to find it on YouTube, it was pretty crazy and the guy made it look very simple. I was impressed with his hand/eye/reaction speed.

[Rifle_Shaman]

7.62x39 is my decision... Or 5.45...... Prolly 7.62 for drums. But either way not alot of difference for conversion parts with exption of feed rams and muzzle items. Sooo, now what furniture to buy. Or FCG for that matter. If anyone has OD colored furniture on an AK please post a pic i would like to see it, all the pic i see are just the furniture on a white background.

[Diatribes]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rifle_Shaman

7.62x39 is my decision... Or 5.45...... Prolly 7.62 for drums. But either way not alot of difference for conversion parts with exption of feed rams and muzzle items. Sooo, now what furniture to buy. Or FCG for that matter. If anyone has OD colored furniture on an AK please post a pic i would like to see it, all the pic i see are just the furniture on a white background.

I would go with FCG's like the set centerfire systems sells for $10. Theyre milled military groups and very cheap. I wouldnt advise using Crapco G2, theyre cast and some have broken on people.

[Rifle_Shaman]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Diatribes

I would go with FCG's like the set centerfire systems sells for $10. Theyre milled military groups and very cheap. I wouldnt advise using Crapco G2, theyre cast and some have broken on people.

US made?

[Deussne]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rifle_Shaman

US made?

Nope.

Tapco G2 are crap. I had 2 of them that are not worth the dirt on the ground.

[Sprout47]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rifle_Shaman

US made?

The TAPCO G2 is US made but as stated is kind of crap. I have been using the Arsenal FCG's, they "feel" better. They are exact copies of an AKM FCG and are US Made. The only problem with them is the disconnector is bigger so the safety is difficult to reinstall. Other than that they are good to go.

As far as furniture, if you are buying a poly set get a Kvar set. Other poly sets have a tendency of melting.

And one last thing, go with the 5.45!

[Darth AkSarBen]

.223 Saiga with Tapco FCG. Shoots butter smooth, but that was my doing.

[Deussne]

Ahh Vern nice grouping as usual!
Did you do any work to your Tapco FCG?
I Installed a Red star arms in one of my rifles, Its rather nice but needed some polishing work as well.

[Rifle_Shaman]

I wasnt sure about a G2 to start lots of mixed reviews was gonna check out red star but arsenal inc will be shoved in my Saiga. Bullet Guide's..... Whos done em here no smith no drill press? Only welder/drill press i can get my hands currently on, is on school grounds at the vo tech i whent too.

[Darth AkSarBen]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Deussne

Ahh Vern nice grouping as usual! Did you do any work to your Tapco FCG? I Installed a Red star arms in one of my rifles, Its rather nice but needed some polishing work as well.

Oh yes, both of them. I have Tapco G2 on both the Saiga 223 and the Saiga .308. Polished them both, took off material on the right side for the BHO plate. Also took off materail on the hammer near the hammer pin. I also ground off some material in the front to clear the cross member pin on the Saiga .308. The winery has a nice bench grinder. And, I have a nice Dremel kit at home. The mating metal where the trigger lets off the hammer/sear is near mirror finish. Even the side of the hammer etc are polished where they meet other parts.

What I'd like to do is NP3 or chrome the inner part of the gas tube. I think that would also reduce drag and improve cleaning a lot.

[Paper]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Diatribes

Watch some vids on youtube if you doubt the almighty Saiga 12.

You Tube

You Tube

HOLY CRAP!!
I know.. Full auto.. Still, a very awesome gun!

[Darth AkSarBen]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Diatribes

I would go with FCG's like the set centerfire systems sells for $10. Theyre milled military groups and very cheap. I wouldnt advise using Crapco G2, theyre cast and some have broken on people.

Went to the website, "Centerfire Systems". Problem with those $10.00 FCG is that they are made in Romania, which does not qualify them for 3 U.S. Parts for the 922r compliance. So, if you are trying to stay in compliance, this fire control is not your parts(s).
The "used very little" is also makes you wonder just how used and which ones??

[Diatribes]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Darth AkSarBen

Went to the website, "Centerfire Systems". Problem with those $10.00 FCG is that they are made in Romania, which does not qualify them for 3 U.S. Parts for the 922r compliance. So, if you are trying to stay in compliance, this fire control is not your parts(s). The "used very little" is also makes you wonder just how used and which ones??

If you require USA trigger group to make compliance then Id suggest any of the previously mentioned triggers with the exception of Tapco. The G2 itself isnt cheaply priced as it should be and with the others you atleast get what you pay for compared to the G2. I wouldnt let the "used very little" bother you. Ive bought 3 of those trigger groups from Centerfire Systems and theyre all nice milled sets, currently residing in 2 of my Saigas and are smooth as silk. I dont need USA trigger groups to make my compliance, as Ive stated before I use: USA pistol grip, USA stock, USA magazines for my 5 parts required.

[Darth AkSarBen]

You can't use the USA pistol grip for complaince, it actually counts against you. Here's a link: Saiga Compliance

[Jersey Jailer]

I had a Saiga .223 for about a week. It would not feed Mil.Surp. 5.56 ammo to save my life. Yes I tried several magazines. It functioned flawlessly with UMC .223 ammo, Federal and Winchester .223 and was quite accurate. Those of you out there that are asking if I tried this that or the other thing the answer is no. I did polish the "feed ramp" with crocus cloth and broke corners with a 800 grit stone. My theory it was a new gun, it should work. The manual stated it would work with 5.56 ammo so I bought it. If I wanted a .223 only weapon, I would buy another. I shoot an AR match gun 556 chamber (Colt) and it has worked flawlessly with 5-6000 rounds through it.

If you want a SHTF gun buy an AR-10 or an AR-15 in 762x39. If you train with one you train with the other. If you want a powder burner dont forget Ruger mini's for plinking

[Deussne]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Jersey Jailer

I had a Saiga .223 for about a week. It would not feed Mil.Surp. 5.56 ammo to save my life. Yes I tried several magazines. It functioned flawlessly with UMC .223 ammo, Federal and Winchester .223 and was quite accurate. Those of you out there that are asking if I tried this that or the other thing the answer is no. I did polish the "feed ramp" with crocus cloth and broke corners with a 800 grit stone. My theory it was a new gun, it should work. The manual stated it would work with 5.56 ammo so I bought it. If I wanted a .223 only weapon, I would buy another. I shoot an AR match gun 556 chamber (Colt) and it has worked flawlessly with 5-6000 rounds through it. If you want a SHTF gun buy an AR-10 or an AR-15 in 762x39. If you train with one you train with the other. If you want a powder burner dont forget Ruger mini's for plinking

Don't you think you are in a wrong forum to preach for AR?
Just giving you hard time.
But really can you give me a good reason why I would buy AR over AK?

Quote:       Originally Posted by Darth AkSarBen

Oh yes, both of them. I have Tapco G2 on both the Saiga 223 and the Saiga .308. Polished them both, took off material on the right side for the BHO plate. Also took off materail on the hammer near the hammer pin. I also ground off some material in the front to clear the cross member pin on the Saiga .308. The winery has a nice bench grinder. And, I have a nice Dremel kit at home. The mating metal where the trigger lets off the hammer/sear is near mirror finish. Even the side of the hammer etc are polished where they meet other parts. What I'd like to do is NP3 or chrome the inner part of the gas tube. I think that would also reduce drag and improve cleaning a lot.

Vern,
You live near that winery? I usually go there around July 4th to visit an Uncle who lives down the road. And pay a visit to the Fenn Valley. Needless to say we (my wife and I) always manage to leave with at least a box or two full of wine.

[Diatribes]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Darth AkSarBen

You can't use the USA pistol grip for complaince, it actually counts against you. Here's a link: Saiga Compliance

Regardless, foreign parts count is 10

[Madcat455]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Darth AkSarBen

You can't use the USA pistol grip for complaince, it actually counts against you. Here's a link: Saiga Compliance

I thought it only worked against you if you used a Non USA grip.

The way I was told, is a Saiga needs 14 (Threaded muzzle, 13 if not threaded) out of the box for 922r. Adding a PG makes that 15.

So, using a US PG, would take you right back to 14... so his but stock, and US mags would make up the other 4.

Or was I told wrong?

[Darth AkSarBen]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Jersey Jailer

I had a Saiga .223 for about a week. It would not feed Mil.Surp. 5.56 ammo to save my life. Yes I tried several magazines. It functioned flawlessly with UMC .223 ammo, Federal and Winchester .223 and was quite accurate. Those of you out there that are asking if I tried this that or the other thing the answer is no. I did polish the "feed ramp" with crocus cloth and broke corners with a 800 grit stone.

There is no feed ramp on a Saiga .223 The feed "ramp" is built into the magazine. Only if you put in a feed ramp does it have one, and the one's I've seen are not polished. My Saiga says .223 Rem and does not say 5.56 NATO. However my .308 says both .308 Winchester 7.62 x 51 on the side.

And yes I work at the winery, nearly every day. I'm the Associate Winemaker and am always in the lab. Stop in or come by sometime. If you meet your Uncle around Thanksgiving,I'm only 6 miles down the road.

As far as compliance goes, you have to check further, probably the folks at the Saiga-12 forums will know for sure. But, replacing the 3 part FCG with U.S. made, is pretty standard for compliance.

There seems like there is also something about a magazine capacity that is over what comes with the rifle as standard as well.