Vermont Gun Law to be?

DaTeacha · 11-03-2009, 12:26 PM

Mull this over, guys. I like it! I got it from a reliable friend in email. Have not verified it, but thought it was a good idea.

> Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment
> to the U...S. Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution
> very
> carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is
> popping
> some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.
>
> Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and
> require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would
> become
> the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about
> unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a
> gun.
>
> Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not
> only
> the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear
> mandate
> to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by
> the
> Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force"
> by
> the government as well as criminals. Vermont 's constitution
> states
> explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the
> defense of
> themselves and the State" and those persons who are
> "conscientiously
> scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such
> equivalent."
> Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation
> to
> arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any
> situation
> that may arise."
>
> Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be
> required
> to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and
> driver's
> license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government
> interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should
> they
> be asked to do so," Maslack says
>
> Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the
> least
> restrictive laws of any state .. it's currently the only state that
> allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit.
> This
> combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has
> resulted
> in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.
>
> " America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within
> the
> system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
>
> This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to
> pay
> taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own
> guns.
> Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.
>
> " I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom
> of
> the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power
> than by
> violent and sudden usurpations."
> -James Madison-

TACAV · 11-03-2009, 12:42 PM

Would this be retroactive? What about the people who by law cannot own a gun? Would they still have to pay the tax?

I like the law personally

DaTeacha · 11-03-2009, 12:49 PM

I would think anyone who is not allowed to own a gun due to criminal behavior is already a burden on society. Why not charge them for being such a pain?

Retroactive? I don't see the need. Just imposing a $500 per year non-ownership tax will boost gun sales through the roof - especially those priced under $500. I think this is just a wonderful idea.

It doesn't have a snowball's chance of ever becoming reality, but it's still a neat thought. I wonder if this guy might run for president?

Twitch2120 · 11-03-2009, 12:54 PM

i like this.

it wont get passed though. just goes to show if everything falls to poop then we have 2 choices to flee. Texas and Vermont. maybe they can start their own union. Texas provideds cattle and oil and Vermont can bring....maple syrup? the real stuff is AMAZING on pancakes!

Earl Easter · 11-03-2009, 01:00 PM

Yes i think it would be a good idea,especially if the funds help out the police departments
in that area or others that need monies. But as some said i don't think this has a chance
to pass.

Archetype_wyo · 11-03-2009, 01:02 PM

Wyoming can provide coal!!!

Twitch2120 · 11-03-2009, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archetype_wyo

Wyoming can provide coal!!!

sweet jebus! now were cookin. maybe i can rally GA sans Atlanta. then we will have a supply of peaches and peanuts!

Archetype_wyo · 11-03-2009, 01:25 PM

We're the 1st biggest coal provider in the US from what I remember. Got like 3 or 4 strip mines outside Gillette, WY. And if I'm not mistaken a Uranium mine down by Wheatland.

DaTeacha · 11-03-2009, 02:17 PM

Got cheese? Wisconsin thinks it makes the best, but only because they have yet to try Holmes County, Ohio Amish made cheeses. We want in!

SwedeSteve · 11-04-2009, 10:04 AM

Vermont is not the only state in the Nation that does not require a permit to carry concealed. There are a few. Including us !!

Deersniper · 11-05-2009, 01:29 PM

What? A member of the govt talking sense? God forbid, call DHS!

petrol · 11-05-2009, 01:49 PM

seems to me like some kind of fascist indoctrination and removal of freedom. what next? government is going to force everyone to own a microwave oven? Hey you! where's your Blender? don't have one? that will be $230 No lawnmower? another $68.42

geddit?

dhermesc · 11-05-2009, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petrol

seems to me like some kind of fascist indoctrination and removal of freedom. what next? government is going to force everyone to own a microwave oven? Hey you! where's your Blender? don't have one? that will be $230 No lawnmower? another $68.42

geddit?

Not really. I doubt the constitution of Vermont requires citizens to own a blender.

The US Congress is considering a bill that will tax you for NOT OWNING an health insurance policy - is that fascist indoctrination? Its not like that's anywhere in the constitution.

Only problem is this story dates back to 2000. The law was never passed.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?...t_to_bear_arms

petrol · 11-05-2009, 02:50 PM

well, I was mocking the anti-govt fear that permeates the gun community. I personally think every law abiding citizen should be free to own and carry a gun. however, being fined for not doing so is just as wrong as being forced to do anything else against ones will.

dog party · 11-05-2009, 04:44 PM

I received that the other day from a friend. I just disregarded the whole thing because of the glaringly erroneous "it's currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit" statement.

dhermesc · 11-05-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petrol

well, I was mocking the anti-govt fear that permeates the gun community. I personally think every law abiding citizen should be free to own and carry a gun. however, being fined for not doing so is just as wrong as being forced to do anything else against ones will.

Like pay property taxes? Buy a 1.6 gallon flush toilet? Not sell used toys at garage sales? Open your home for inspection by fish and game officials? A little tax on NOT owning a gun is pretty minor......

Kaybe · 11-05-2009, 05:22 PM

"Too late to work within the system but too early to shoot the bastards." I like that, I really do.

11-03-2009, 12:26 PM	#1
DaTeacha Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: near Funk, Ohio Posts: 2,915	Vermont Gun Law to be? Mull this over, guys. I like it! I got it from a reliable friend in email. Have not verified it, but thought it was a good idea. > Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment > to the U...S. Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution > very > carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is > popping > some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere. > > Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and > require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would > become > the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about > unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a > gun. > > Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not > only > the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear > mandate > to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by > the > Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" > by > the government as well as criminals. Vermont 's constitution > states > explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the > defense of > themselves and the State" and those persons who are > "conscientiously > scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such > equivalent." > Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation > to > arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any > situation > that may arise." > > Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be > required > to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and > driver's > license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government > interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should > they > be asked to do so," Maslack says > > Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the > least > restrictive laws of any state .. it's currently the only state that > allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. > This > combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has > resulted > in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation. > > " America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within > the > system, but too early to shoot the bastards." > > This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to > pay > taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own > guns. > Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way. > > " I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom > of > the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power > than by > violent and sudden usurpations." > -James Madison- __________________ Teach NRA -- If you're reading this, you should be a member. United, We Stand.

11-03-2009, 12:42 PM	#2
TACAV Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,538	Would this be retroactive? What about the people who by law cannot own a gun? Would they still have to pay the tax? I like the law personally __________________ Zombies don't hold grudges, discriminate, or negotiate- Neither should you. -The Zen of Zombie-

11-03-2009, 12:49 PM	#3
DaTeacha Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: near Funk, Ohio Posts: 2,915	I would think anyone who is not allowed to own a gun due to criminal behavior is already a burden on society. Why not charge them for being such a pain? Retroactive? I don't see the need. Just imposing a $500 per year non-ownership tax will boost gun sales through the roof - especially those priced under $500. I think this is just a wonderful idea. It doesn't have a snowball's chance of ever becoming reality, but it's still a neat thought. I wonder if this guy might run for president? __________________ Teach NRA -- If you're reading this, you should be a member. United, We Stand.

11-03-2009, 12:54 PM	#4
Twitch2120 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tucker, GA Posts: 355	i like this. it wont get passed though. just goes to show if everything falls to poop then we have 2 choices to flee. Texas and Vermont. maybe they can start their own union. Texas provideds cattle and oil and Vermont can bring....maple syrup? the real stuff is AMAZING on pancakes! __________________ The right to bear arms is WAY less ludicrous than the right to arm bears!

11-03-2009, 01:02 PM	#6
Archetype_wyo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Buffalo, Wyo Posts: 1,731	Wyoming can provide coal!!! __________________ The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun. —Patrick Henry

11-03-2009, 01:00 PM	#5
Earl Easter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,133 Images: 20	Yes i think it would be a good idea,especially if the funds help out the police departments in that area or others that need monies. But as some said i don't think this has a chance to pass.

11-03-2009, 01:25 PM	#8
Archetype_wyo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Buffalo, Wyo Posts: 1,731	We're the 1st biggest coal provider in the US from what I remember. Got like 3 or 4 strip mines outside Gillette, WY. And if I'm not mistaken a Uranium mine down by Wheatland. __________________ The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun. —Patrick Henry

11-03-2009, 02:17 PM	#9
DaTeacha Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: near Funk, Ohio Posts: 2,915	Got cheese? Wisconsin thinks it makes the best, but only because they have yet to try Holmes County, Ohio Amish made cheeses. We want in! __________________ Teach NRA -- If you're reading this, you should be a member. United, We Stand.

11-04-2009, 10:04 AM	#10
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 23,576 Images: 1	Vermont is not the only state in the Nation that does not require a permit to carry concealed. There are a few. Including us !! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

11-05-2009, 01:29 PM	#11
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,611	What? A member of the govt talking sense? God forbid, call DHS!

11-05-2009, 01:49 PM	#12
petrol Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 567	seems to me like some kind of fascist indoctrination and removal of freedom. what next? government is going to force everyone to own a microwave oven? Hey you! where's your Blender? don't have one? that will be $230 No lawnmower? another $68.42 geddit? __________________ Hoping for the next Thomas Paine.

11-05-2009, 02:50 PM	#14
petrol Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 567	well, I was mocking the anti-govt fear that permeates the gun community. I personally think every law abiding citizen should be free to own and carry a gun. however, being fined for not doing so is just as wrong as being forced to do anything else against ones will. __________________ Hoping for the next Thomas Paine.

11-05-2009, 04:44 PM	#15
dog party Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 275	I received that the other day from a friend. I just disregarded the whole thing because of the glaringly erroneous "it's currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit" statement.

11-05-2009, 05:22 PM	#17
Kaybe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northcentral Ohio Posts: 641	"Too late to work within the system but too early to shoot the bastards." I like that, I really do. __________________ Some people are alive simply because it is illegal to kill them.