11-05-2009, 10:53 AM
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#21 | | Firearm Zealot
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^That would be illegal in our swamps. Sucks. I'd LOVE to have one of those! One of these years when I'm filthy rich I'm gonna legally buy some short barrelled, full auto, suppressed rifles...
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11-05-2009, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Rifle_Shaman  | No more then an unported .357 id wager. Besides you have a mag to grip onto with your weak hand. I think the AK pistols are just silly. If you really want something that compact get a SBR underfolder. Can fire it pistol style or unfold the stock. | Most People Dont Feel Like Going Through All Of That So We Can Settle With The Draco's  | |
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11-05-2009, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve | ^ Using that logic, all handguns are useless. What specifically, are you saying ?? | THANK YOU! Agreed Heavily  | |
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11-05-2009, 12:58 PM
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#24 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve | ^ Using that logic, all handguns are useless. What specifically, are you saying ?? | That is not the logic at all... What is the logic is that in order to be effective a bullet has to reach certain ballistics. Those ballistics are not present with too short of a barrel. There are pistol calibers that are effective because the bullet weight is more suited to slower muzzle velocities. If you want an ak, then get one, if you want a pistol then get one also, but an ak is not a pistol and the 7.62x39 is not a pistol caliber.
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11-05-2009, 08:26 PM
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#25 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve | ^ Using that logic, all handguns are useless. What specifically, are you saying ?? | LOL you kno half of the power is blown out of the barrel in a fire ball right? The fire ball is powder thats still burning more or less. Pistol calibers are made differently. Look at the .45 ACP its barely super sonic some times but its a heavy round. One way of putting it is a 100gr round going 2000 fps can inflict the same dmg as a 200gr round going 1000 fps.(not 100% true but it gets the idea along.) But to get a 7.62x39 to speed it needs to be a good round you need barrel length. After the bullet leaves the muzzle any energy left from the explosion caused by the powder is wasted it moves out in all directions. Now if you where to load up a very very heavy round into a 7.62x39 case and work the powder to make use of a short barrel it might be useful but your just shining sh*t in the end.
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11-05-2009, 08:28 PM
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#26 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by squirrelblaster | i am under the impresstion that a sbr requires a tax stamp...... am i wrong about that? i hope i am. becouse i would really love one but basicly dont want to pay the extra $200 | Yes there is a tax stamp for one but atlest the gun is worth something besides ohh thats a neat lil thing factor.
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11-05-2009, 08:40 PM
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#27 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Rifle_Shaman | LOL you kno half of the power is blown out of the barrel in a fire ball right? The fire ball is powder thats still burning more or less. Pistol calibers are made differently. Look at the .45 ACP its barely super sonic some times but its a heavy round. One way of putting it is a 100gr round going 2000 fps can inflict the same dmg as a 200gr round going 1000 fps.(not 100% true but it gets the idea along.) But to get a 7.62x39 to speed it needs to be a good round you need barrel length. After the bullet leaves the muzzle any energy left from the explosion caused by the powder is wasted it moves out in all directions. Now if you where to load up a very very heavy round into a 7.62x39 case and work the powder to make use of a short barrel it might be useful but your just shining sh*t in the end. | Thanks RS, I didn't think I needed to explain why the 7.62x39 pistol is ridiculous but apparently I had to lol.
The one thing I failed to mention, the powder burn rate of a rifle round versus pistol round.
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11-05-2009, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Sprout47 | Thanks RS, I didn't think I needed to explain why the 7.62x39 pistol is ridiculous but apparently I had to lol.
The one thing I failed to mention, the powder burn rate of a rifle round versus pistol round. | Then Explain The Krinkov?
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11-05-2009, 09:32 PM
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#29 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by RomanianSniper | Then Explain The Krinkov? | What is your problem?
But if you can't tell the difference between the two I will break it down for you.
Kirnk explained,
Krinkov: gets around bullet stability by changing the twist rate; the addition of the flash hider is a booster which allows for more powder burn.
Also is chambered in 5.45x39.5mm...
W/e I am done discussing this, as this is going south quick.
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11-05-2009, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Sprout47 | What is your problem?
But if you can't tell the difference between the two I will break it down for you.
Kirnk explained,
Krinkov: gets around bullet stability by changing the twist rate; the addition of the flash hider is a booster which allows for more powder burn.
Also is chambered in 5.45x39.5mm...
W/e I am done discussing this, as this is going south quick. | Well Ive Heard Story's Of THe Draco Hitting Out To 100 Yards And Being Quite Accurate...
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11-05-2009, 09:57 PM
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#31 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by Sprout47 | What is your problem?
But if you can't tell the difference between the two I will break it down for you.
Kirnk explained,
Krinkov: gets around bullet stability by changing the twist rate; the addition of the flash hider is a booster which allows for more powder burn.
Also is chambered in 5.45x39.5mm...
W/e I am done discussing this, as this is going south quick. | Agreed, some one is discussing to just to argue.
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11-05-2009, 11:30 PM
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#32 | | Firearm Zealot
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I think is has a lot to do with the Draco and Krink's barrel being shorter. There's a lot less flex when it's fired and thus a lot better barrel harmonics. The standard AK-47 clone has a very thin barrel for the size bullet traveling down it. It also has several things attached to it(gas system, handguard, front sight) that disrupt barrel harmonics. With the shorter barrel, you have less enertia from the front sight assembly being moved so much in firing and thus less movement. Less movement, more consistant fire. More consistant, but less powerful from the short barrel and the resulting less powder burnt before bullet exiting barrel.
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11-05-2009, 11:32 PM
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#33 | | Firearm Zealot
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Demonstration of barrel movement.
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11-05-2009, 11:41 PM
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#34 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by jmp8927 | I think is has a lot to do with the Draco and Krink's barrel being shorter. There's a lot less flex when it's fired and thus a lot better barrel harmonics. The standard AK-47 clone has a very thin barrel for the size bullet traveling down it. It also has several things attached to it(gas system, handguard, front sight) that disrupt barrel harmonics. With the shorter barrel, you have less enertia from the front sight assembly being moved so much in firing and thus less movement. Less movement, more consistant fire. More consistant, but less powerful from the short barrel and the resulting less powder burnt before bullet exiting barrel. | Shorter sight radius though 
Here is a good review; on it the guy reviewing calls them "fairly accurate" so deduce what you will from that. Recoil is fairly mild with a muzzle brake on.
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11-05-2009, 11:50 PM
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#35 | | Firearm Zealot
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if i get one i would want one with the shorter gas piston and barrel like the one in that ^ video. anyone know where to find one of those type for sale?
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11-06-2009, 01:36 AM
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#36 | | Firearm Zealot
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ttwinsupra can you post some pics of yours? maybe next to something for size comparison........ next to a full size ak would be greaat!
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11-06-2009, 02:04 AM
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#37 | | Firearm Zealot
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Well , To dispel some of the Arguement , here are My Hungarian Gals.
The Pistol is a Hungarian AMD-65 I built with the Original Short Barrel ,
the Full sized one is A Hungarian AMD-63 I built .  
The Pistol is A rifle that was Made that Cannot accept either a Stock or
a Forward grip for legal Reasons , and Not Classed as An SBR...
It develops the same MV as it would being a Rifle...
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11-06-2009, 09:03 AM
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#38 | | Love Your Firearms!
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Originally Posted by ttwinsupra
Pics, prices, and write-up at this J&G link: Romanian AK Draco Pistol 7.62x39 caliber handgun.
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11-06-2009, 09:10 AM
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#39 | | Firearm Zealot
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i want one.
i see dumber guns here every day.
taurus judge anyone?
or anything in .327 mag.?
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11-06-2009, 11:40 AM
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#40 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by woody1981 do you know how to see the full reveiws? they all seem to be cut off and i cant find how to see the rest of them?
also doe they have a spot to put a sling?
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