11-07-2009, 08:26 AM
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#81 | | Firearm Aficionado
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| Interesting take on the Ft Hood shooting from John Farnam:
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Profession of Arms?
Learned helplessness in the military.
Had Wednesday's serial murders at Ft Hood taken place just outside the Base
in the City of Killeen, TX, the murder suspect would likely have been
gunned-down immediately by several Texas CHL holders.
Tragically, the murders took place in a "gun-free zone" (aka "criminal
empowerment zone"), because in America, among those claiming to be active
members of the "Profession of Arms," no one is armed!
Reaction from the idiot Press were predictable:
They sought out anyone who would comment on the subject of personal weapons
on base. One representative fell into their trap and tried to defend Base
rules that require "... anyone on Base with a weapon must have it
out-of-reach and unloaded." However, as we all know, any gun that is
"perfectly
safe" is "perfectly useless," and its owner is "perfectly helpless."
Base commanders apparently believe everyone should be disarmed and always
ready to be victimized, rather than (Heaven forbid!) armed, trained, and
prepared.
Interesting philosophy, and it obviously "worked" perfectly! Curious
that the murder suspect himself apparently didn't pay much attention to
that
particular rule. Imagine that!
The fact is that the best, and only really effective, deterrent to criminal
violence is good and decent people who are constantly armed and prepared.
That practice has significantly discouraged all criminal activity every
time it has been tried.
It works. Nothing else does!
Years ago, in all branches of the US Military, officers and staff NCOs were
always armed with a pistol, on base, off base, in uniform, or not. Being
ever "armed and ready" was considered a point of honor! To be unarmed was
to be incapable of performing one's duty. Such a thing would be
dishonorable. Back then, we didn't have mass murders on military bases!
Under today's "enlightened" policy, even star-wearers are unarmed and
helpless, foolishly relying upon some ill-defined "reactionary force" to
protect them, a force that will predictably arrive long after the damage
has
been done. Who own personal weapons, have local CCW permits, and acquire
training outside the "System," are now classified as "gun-enthusiasts" and
are thus highly suspect from that point forward, lumped in with lepers and
child-molesters.
So long as professing practitioners of the "Profession of Arms" are
pathologically frightened of guns and suspect of each other, we can look
forward
to more such mass murders of the defenseless. And, I promise you, all will
take place in "gun-free zones."
As always, the real villain here is arrogance, the kind of personal vanity
the ever precludes us from sincerely admitting we're wrong and that we need
to change directions.
Learned helplessness? Not a formula for victory!
/John
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11-07-2009, 10:35 AM
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#82 | | Gun Toting Boeing Driver
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I heard last night the Justice department was investigating common links for these and the other horrific events of mass murder.
Well, here's one for a starter: I'll bet 99 + % of them happened in some type of "weapons exclusion zone" aka "Gun-Free zone" or "Free Fire zone" in which the possession of weapons was prohibited or severely restricted.
A single Islamic Terrorist evil individual can come in and fire 100 or so rounds over the span of several minutes and kill or injure scores of people ? A lone gunman can cause this type of carnage ? Obviously something is wrong here. People are products of their training -- maybe this needs to be improved to deal with these type of situations (and we remove encumberances to being armed everywhere all the time). Obviously "gun free" zones have been an horrific failure in every regard. But even without firearms it is troubling a situation could occur such as this and the individual would be unsuppressed (especially given the lessons of the past with 9/11 and Virginia Tech) until encountering armed resistance from a LE. Maybe this is what the investigation should target and how people can be trained to suppress such an evil person (NOT some BS introspection as to how the nutjob "slipped through the cracks" which will ALWAYS happen in some form or another).
But the fact that the terrorist was wearing our own uniform and a Major (and doctor to boot) would have complicated the problem.
We should pray for the families and victims, and owe it to them to train our troops so that this never happens again--in any setting.
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11-07-2009, 10:51 AM
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#83 | | Firearm Zealot
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Hey guys. Duplicate post (also in vet forum) pray for our unit Chaplain and his assistant. They were @ the hospital when the SHTF here on Ft. Hood.
TCA
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11-07-2009, 12:24 PM
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The single common , almost universal link:
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Originally Posted by TXplt  | I heard last night the Justice department was investigating common links for these and the other horrific events of mass murder.
Well, here's one for a starter: I'll bet 99 + % of them happened in some type of "weapons exclusion zone" aka "Gun-Free zone" or "Free Fire zone" in which the possession of weapons was prohibited or severely restricted.
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Obviously "gun free" zones have been an horrific failure in every regard. .
... ( Snip for brevity)....
We should pray for the families and victims, and owe it to them to train our troops so that this never happens again--in any setting. | These slaughters keep happening. It's reaching the point where even most people who will never own a personal gun have stopped drinking the gun prohibition koolaid. At least that what the opinion polls show and what I hope is happening.
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11-07-2009, 08:07 PM
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"Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother’s funeral was held there in May that year.
The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.
Hasan’s eyes “lit up” when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki’s teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday’s horrific shooting spree.
As investigators look at Hasan’s motives and mindset, his attendance at the mosque could be an important piece of the jigsaw..." The Betrayal » Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists - Thanks Bro Morgan | |
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11-07-2009, 08:29 PM
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#86 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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What bother me about the traitor's actions is that it's nothing new. For Allies of the US , traitors are part of the terrain . It's been that way since the military leader of the Afghan Northern Alliance was assassinated in 2001.
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11-07-2009, 09:05 PM
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11-07-2009, 09:11 PM
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He said he would not go to Iraq to fight, but then he took the cowards way out & assasinated our brave troops...
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Just like a muslim...a coward & a murderer!
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11-07-2009, 09:13 PM
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11-07-2009, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by overunder410.22 | He said he would not go to Iraq to fight, but then he took the cowards way out & assasinated our brave troops...
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Just like a muslim...a coward & a murderer! | im calling this one..... NOT all muslums are bad........ christians have killed more people than any other religion...... that does not mean they are all bad.... some are just miss guided......... if you are going to say somthing racist please think first and then dont do it here.
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11-08-2009, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by squirrelblaster | im calling this one..... NOT all muslums are bad........ christians have killed more people than any other religion...... that does not mean they are all bad.... some are just miss guided......... if you are going to say somthing racist please think first and then dont do it here. | Do you have any data on Christian killings? Because I don't know any that do suicide bombings inflicting mass casualities. I understand what you're saying about Muslums, but I don't know if Christian numbers are higher anymore.
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11-08-2009, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Marine4TheKing | Do you have any data on Christian killings? Because I don't know any that do suicide bombings inflicting mass casualities. I understand what you're saying about Muslums, but I don't know if Christian numbers are higher anymore. |
it was a historical refrence....... crusades, spanish inquisition, heck hitler was a christian...........
and the point was to make a point that it does not make a religion evil, the point im trying to make is NOT that christians are evil or violent.....
just to be clear im NOT saying it to put down christians in any way.
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11-08-2009, 12:29 AM
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#93 | | CERTIFIABLE GUN NUT
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No, you're right. Not all Muslim's are bad.
but in that same turn, NOT ONE MUSLIM THAT I'VE HEARD HAS COME OUT AND CONDEMNED THIS EITHER THOUGH.
If one or more has, I stand corrected. But they don't ever seem to do that.
And even though not all Muslim's are bad, it appears to me the religion teachings of Islam can be and often times are???
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11-08-2009, 12:40 AM
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Weather Hitler was a Christian or not seems to be in question by most. Weather he was at one time or at the end seems to be full of debate. I also agree with GlockMeister.
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Originally Posted by GlockMeister | No, you're right. Not all Muslim's are bad.
but in that same turn, NOT ONE MUSLIM THAT I'VE HEARD HAS COME OUT AND CONDEMNED THIS EITHER THOUGH.
If one or more has, I stand corrected. But they don't ever seem to do that.
And even though not all Muslim's are bad, it appears to me the religion teachings of Islam can be and often times are??? |
many many muslum orgs can out condeming this act before this thread was even started the day of the incodent(sp?). the media just chooses not to cover it, the only midea outlet i saw cover that was a local public radio station. no one ever hears about the millions of good muslims that practice there religions..... becouse frankly.. thats not how you get ratings..... you only hear about the less than .001 percent that do somthign violent....... becouse thats what makes the news. its just like the only time you christians are in the news for the most part is if they are persacuting someone like desturbing the funeral of a gay person and telling his parents he is going to hell as he is being put int he ground, or when a christion commits a terrorist act like bombing a abortion clinic....... that does not mean that the religion is bad, it means a small group has interpretted somthing in a way that differs from almost all of the others of there religian and does somthing wrong/violent...... good things dont make the news.
in 60 years this sort of condemming of muslims will be looked at like when we the usa put japanese americans into prison camps during ww2, it will be looked back on with shame
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11-08-2009, 12:46 AM
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Squirrelblaster, I have to disagree with your Hitler comment. He wasn't a Christian or even claimed to be. He has said some very disrespectful remarks regarding Christianity and members of the church and members of the SS were often bullied to leave the church, any church, in favor of the state. I think most of your comments are spot on though.
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11-08-2009, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaybe | Squirrelblaster, I have to disagree with your Hitler comment. He wasn't a Christian or even claimed to be. He has said some very disrespectful remarks regarding Christianity and members of the church and members of the SS were often bullied to leave the church, any church, in favor of the state. I think most of your comments are spot on though. |
well if im wrong on the hitler thing then im wrong on it!........
dont know what esle to say about then that! lol
im willing to admit that.
it was/is such a small part of the current conversation though that i dont htink it changes my point any.
BUT this is me formaly saying im wrong about hitler being a christian.
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11-08-2009, 12:55 AM
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#98 | | CERTIFIABLE GUN NUT
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Originally Posted by squirrelblaster | many many muslum orgs can out condeming this act before this thread was even started the day of the incodent(sp?). the media just chooses not to cover it, the only midea outlet i saw cover that was a local public radio station. no one ever hears about the millions of good muslims that practice there religions..... becouse frankly.. thats not how you get ratings..... you only hear about the less than .001 percent that do somthign violent....... becouse thats what makes the news. its just like the only time you christians are in the news for the most part is if they are persacuting someone like desturbing the funeral of a gay person and telling his parents he is going to hell as he is being put int he ground, or when a christion commits a terrorist act like bombing a abortion clinic....... that does not mean that the religion is bad, it means a small group has interpretted somthing in a way that differs from almost all of the others of there religian and does somthing wrong/violent...... good things dont make the news.
in 60 years this sort of condemming of muslims will be looked at like when we the usa put japanese americans into prison camps during ww2, it will be looked back on with shame |
I didn't see or hear a one? Now, three days or so later, yea, I heard them then. But that was only after some in the media asking where the condemnation form the Muslim community was?
Just keep in mind. I'm not saying all Muslim's are bad. Because I know and believe their are two different teachings. But they both revolve around Islam. FWIW, one is a religion millions worship and the other is a hatred towards the west many teach...
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Hitler would be best linked to odd forms of Norse Paganism & Idolatry...he was nowhere near Christian. Although one could wonder how much of it was due to the influence of Himmler... 
In some ways, Sharia law is far superior to American laws...especially in how they deal with certain types of criminals...but Sharia laws are definitely lousy for women on just about every level.
As for the scumbag Hasan...Draw & Quarter his lousy @$$ in Public at the front gates of Ft. Hood...and let the news media have front row seats.
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Doesn't matter what religion anyone is. Extremists exist in any religion/culture, or even stance on anything and i can't stand extremists.
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