[Rambo]

Quote:       Originally Posted by big shrek

Hitler would be best linked to odd forms of Norse Paganism & Idolatry...he was nowhere near Christian. Although one could wonder how much of it was due to the influence of Himmler...

Hitler was raised as a Christian as a youth, as was Stalin and Pol Pot. They were by far the worst mass murderers of the 20th century. They didn't murder their victims in the name of their Christian beliefs however. They were just bad people and bad people come in all faiths and religions, or lack thereof.

[jimkim]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rambo

Hitler was raised as a Christian as a youth, as was Stalin and Pol Pot. They were by far the worst mass murderers of the 20th century. They didn't murder their victims in the name of their Christian beliefs however. They were just bad people and bad people come in all faiths and religions, or lack thereof.

I agree with the sentiment, but Mao murdered more people than Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot combined.

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The arrest of Pinochet in 2000 brings up the issue of which other leaders should be or should have been tried for atrocities committed during their rule. Here is a tentative list of modern dictators (and assorted mass murderers) and the estimated number of people killed by their orders (excluding armies they were formally at war with).

The worst genocides of the 20th Century

[gbear-48]

With all due respect:
The stuff about other Muslims not condemning extremists and extremists teachings just isn't true. I've been seeing the English translations for a long time. Things like a sheik stating " Al Qaeda members are scum . It is permissable to kill them". To a cleryman ( who had status comparable to a Bishop) calling them perverts. Words like traitor , heretic , murderer , etc, are very common in areas where A/Q is ( or has been) a serious everyday problem.
There have been lots the same kind of thing in English in the US for years.

Combined operations work. The surest sign of Muslims condemning extremism is Allied units shooting bad guys.

[Rave]

When chooseing "allies",one might remember this.
If one can purchase a man's allegiance and need to count on it,he should always remember,there may be a higher bidder,or just a fresh offer.

[gbear-48]

Yeah , that was part of AQI's problem. The good guys could almost always outbid them.

[SwedeSteve]

There is no extrapolation recorded that accurately estimates murder by religion. But you have to be humbled by the question, who have killed more in the name of God, christian or muslim ??

[Kaybe]

Just about any religion has killed in the name of God. Christian, Muslim, Buddhists, Monks of every belief, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians- How far back do we go? If you are going to even speak for God, you had better be right. He will let you know when you stand before Him later. He has the last word. In my opinion, the Army ignored the warning signs, which more and more are being made known almost daily, in order to be "Politically Correct". It will be spun that this guy "snapped" when he was picked on. No one wanted to "offend", but now good people are dead. CRAP! He killed in the name of his religion. He is a terrorist. Good news, the DC sniper is supposed to be executed on Tuesday. Hope justice is done. When "killers" and murderers are kicked out of the sandbox of life because they can't play well with others, they NEVER get to kill again. Thanks again to the woman who RAN to the fight and put him down.

[Rambo]

Quote:       Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

There is no extrapolation recorded that accurately estimates murder by religion. But you have to be humbled by the question, who have killed more in the name of God, christian or muslim ??

According to an earlier post, it would have to be "No God" as in Mao Tze Tung murdering 50-70 million of his people. He followed no religion. Bottom line though, whether you are killed for God or no God, you are still dead and the dead only know one thing, it is better to be alive.

[Cyrano]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rambo

Hitler was raised as a Christian as a youth, as was Stalin and Pol Pot. They were by far the worst mass murderers of the 20th century. They didn't murder their victims in the name of their Christian beliefs however. They were just bad people and bad people come in all faiths and religions, or lack thereof.

Hitler may have been raised a Christian, but it didn't take. He subscribed to the Communist theory that religion is the opiate of the masses - and like any other drug it can be used to control them. He had his own ideas about what religion in the Third Reich should be and the role it should play in the life of the people.

In 1933 Hitler persuaded representatives of the major Protestant churches in Germany to write a constitution for a "Reich Church." He used the State's police powers to force the churchmen to choose his candidate for Reich Bishop to run the puppet "church." This clown, a pastor named Chaplain Mueller, among other things proposed that the Reich Church dump the Old Testament completely and that the New Testament be rewritten with the teachings of Jesus Christ to be in line with those of the Nazi Party. All ministers had to swear a loyalty oath to Hitler. This stuck in the craw of many pastors and shortly there was a quiet revolt, with the evangelical churches creating their own "Confessional Church" headed up by Pastor Martin Neimoller. Hitler dumped his old buddy Mueller and brought in a lawyer named Kerrl to bring the Protestants to taw. More than 800 pastors, mostly of the Confessional Churches, were arrested, tried in kangaroo courts and sent to concentration camps, Niemoller among them. The cowed remainder swore the loyalty oath to Hitler and the Protestant Church in Germany came under Nazi control.

Hitler knew that for Nazism to control all aspects of German life, Christianity in Germany had to be eradicated because its tenets are incompatible with those of National Socialism. Alfred Rosenberg, the Party ideologue, wrote a 30 point program delineating what the Reich Church should be like after the Nazis achieved final victory and owned the world. Here are a few of those points:

5. The National Church is determined to exterminate irrevocabley... the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.

You may notice Rosenberg made no reference to Anno Domini, "in the Year of Our Lord," even while tacitly accepting that calendar system. The Nazis eventually wanted to replace AD with AF, Anno Fuehrer; but of course this never came to pass.

7. The National Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains or priests, but National Reich orators are to speak in them.

This would be like having a "church" in which Soviet zampolits harangued the people from the pulpit. Think of going to Church in that future Reich as being like the weekly Communist Party meetings in China today. Attendance, compulsory; comfort; minimal; brainwashing, total.

14. The National Church declares that to it, and therefore to the German nation, it has been decided that the Fuehrer's Mein Kampf is the greatest of all documents. It... not only contains the greatest but it embodies the purest and truest ethics for the present and future life of our nation.

If the mainstream media starts to sing the praises of Obama's good-for-nothing autobiography, watch out. Or any other politician's autobiographical/ideological ramblings, for that matter.

19. On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf (to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book) and to the left of the altar a sword.

Certainly a statement of power, that being what the sword symbolizes in Western culture. Consider the four ceremonial swords carried in the procession when a British monarch is crowned, for instance.

30. On the day of its foundation, the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals and chapels... and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika.

Previous comments re: ChiCom Communist Party meetings.

As far as Hitler and the Nazi leadership was concerned, all aspects of German life were to be controlled by the State, and no competition for the minds of the people was to be permitted. As many of these unspeakables were either avowed pagans or committed to the darker pagan principles rather than the life cycle duality principles espoused by modern pagans like the Wiccans, Christianity would have been stamped out and relegated to the history books - the ones kept in locked vaults because the people must not be exposed to things that might give them politically incorrect thoughts.

Despicable, isn't it?

[Kaybe]

"All aspects of life were to be controlled by the State" kinda sounds familiar doesn't it?

[blueice]

Quote:       Originally Posted by sea_chicken1

Was anyone watching when Obama came out for his press conference? Evidently healthcare and the Indians were more important than the current shooting happening at fort hood.

Yes, Chicken, not only that, but 2:40 into that tape, he reverted to his Ebonics (obonics in this case) by saying "12 have been kilt."

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rambo

Good luck with that one. The human race is loaded with nuts from every walk of life. How do you begin?

Ask (ax) the bomb makers...

Quote:       Originally Posted by squirrelblaster

im calling this one..... NOT all muslums are bad........ christians have killed more people than any other religion...... that does not mean they are all bad.... some are just miss guided......... if you are going to say somthing racist please think first and then dont do it here.

Not all Germans were bad, nevertheless, they started WWII...

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rambo

Hitler was raised as a Christian as a youth, as was Stalin and Pol Pot. They were by far the worst mass murderers of the 20th century. They didn't murder their victims in the name of their Christian beliefs however. They were just bad people and bad people come in all faiths and religions, or lack thereof.

Who is killing the innocent? Who is blowing up bombs? Who is suppressing democracy? Who is denigrating the rights of women?

To suggest that, Herr Hitler, Stalin and PP were Christian is not only offensive, but patiently obscure..