anyone seen these in cheaper than dirts october catalog? like 950 darts for $30 and it says that they can pentrate body armor while being loaded with much lower recoil and being lighter than standard rounds. anyone have experience with this stuff or know anything about it? load data, history, etc? it says "we are not saying that you should load these or weaponize them as they represent the ultimate military weapon" or something along those lines. sooo.....fill me in
I guess they are legal,but I don't know what you would want them for.They were around when I was in the Marines but were very short range as I recall and next to useless.I never shot any,just heard about them.Sounds like a waste of money to me. ,,,sam.
well to make a brutal shotshell is the purpose!! but thats the kind of stuff i need to hear, not the discription of the salesman
The reason I said they were short range is the times I heard them discussed for shotgun rounds I recall the soldiers talking about them being steel which isn't as heavy as lead for size so they didn't fly far.I believe they were used in grenades for the M79 but I never saw them.I would think that would mean they mostly went sideways from a grenade.Maybe someone can give a report on how they work in a shotgun.Might be something to think about for HD as you never know who has armor nowadays and they surely couldn't be a real wall penetrater. ,,,sam.
These were an idea made real in Vietam. I came across (4) 3 round packs at an auction in the 12 ga shells last weekend, some guy wanted them and I let him have them for $35 with a can of black powder, On gunbroker a guy was selling one round for 49 bucks...opps
the rounds were suppose to be used against snipers in the jungle cutting through the leaves and such. I think the ones in the rocket systems had a much devastating effect...
I found a place in Manitou Springs, CO that sold them by the pound. Naturally, my destructive urges kicked in and I loaded a few 12 ga rounds with them. You can get about 20-25 into a round. I used 19 grains of 700x with a Win. 209 primer. The recoil was about the same as the normal 1 1/8oz of #7 shot that I usually loaded. Not only did they penetrate the Second Chance vest that we "liberated" from the DRMO pile, they absolutely shredded it from about 20'. I hit a tree stump with it from about the same distance and the deepest flechette that we could dig out of the stump penetrated about 8 1/2".
Samuel, don't even think of using them in a HD situation! They will absolutely penetrate a wall!
Legally, I don't know exactly what the ramifications of actually using these in a HD situation, but I can't imagine that they would be legal.
Accuracy out of a full choke was about 13" from 20' from a 12 ga.
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I found a place in Manitou Springs, CO that sold them by the pound. Naturally, my destructive urges kicked in and I loaded a few 12 ga rounds with them. You can get about 20-25 into a round. I used 19 grains of 700x with a Win. 209 primer. The recoil was about the same as the normal 1 1/8oz of #7 shot that I usually loaded. Not only did they penetrate the Second Chance vest that we "liberated" from the DRMO pile, they absolutely shredded it from about 20'. I hit a tree stump with it from about the same distance and the deepest flechette that we could dig out of the stump penetrated about 8 1/2".
Samuel, don't even think of using them in a HD situation! They will absolutely penetrate a wall!
Legally, I don't know exactly what the ramifications of actually using these in a HD situation, but I can't imagine that they would be legal.
Accuracy out of a full choke was about 13" from 20' from a 12 ga.
well ive got the hulls, winchester 209 primers, and a little bit of 700x i think...if not i could use unique...what kinda wad did you use? ive got WAA12 and some remington 1oz ones that i never use. was it with a fold crimp? wouldnt it destrow the mouth of the hull? i guess i might order some and experiment
The only thing that I have heard about those is that they will not fly straight. The little fins on the back of them don't do a very good job of making them fly like little arrows. I'm sure small pieces of steel will tear apart kevlar. No experience, just from what I have read.
ya but i wonder if loading your own is completely legal. like if you use it for defense if they do an autopsy and find a dart, could that open you up to any kind of liability versus if they found some buckshot instead?
That is a liability that I wouldn't want. If you are going to go down that road, you might as well load magnesium powder or shaving into a shotgun shell and roast the bad guy.
$30 per pound is rediculously high. About 2 years ago I bought a couple of pounds of both lengths of darts for 6 or 7 bucks per pound.
I heard they were used in Vietnam to penetrate deep cover.
If using in some homemade destructive device, it would seem you would get more bang for your buck just using nails and other hardware store metal pieces.
