Hey all,
I am currently in the process of building my first AR. I have the lower in my possesion and the 20" upper enroute (via UPS) I want to get a decent trigger assembly for this weapon. I don't know much about them since I'm fairly new to owning and shooting AR's. I have a very nice bushmaster AR carbine with I believe a 2 to 4 lb trigger (it was not stock) And I don't know about 2 stage triggers (the pros or cons) I will mainly use the rifle for target shooting. But I would like one, at least mid grade for this weapon. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Stew man
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RRA Match trigger will run about $100. A Timney will run about $180. I use a Timney as I really don't like two stage triggers.
Jim
Do triggers really affect accuracy that much? My biggest problem was always holding the rifle steady, especially when I'm at the range...the owner kinda gave me that funny "I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't do that" look when I went prone instead of using his rickety old tables.
I've got the standard trigger from my DPMS lower parts kit, and it seems to be working just fine for me.
Do triggers really affect accuracy that much? My biggest problem was always holding the rifle steady, especially when I'm at the range...the owner kinda gave me that funny "I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't do that" look when I went prone instead of using his rickety old tables.
I've got the standard trigger from my DPMS lower parts kit, and it seems to be working just fine for me.
ZombieHunter,
Thanks to you as well. I'll look up the price of the DPMS lower parts kit, as I don't have one yet.
Cheers,
Stew Man
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I have 3 of the rock river 2 stage triggers, and absolutely love them.
Single stage triggers by design will wear out over time. They're less consistent, and harder to tune.
2 stage triggers give you a short pull with practically no weight, then a "catch" where the heavier pull starts, and a very short pull to fire. It's very consistent, easy to learn, and allows you know where your finger is in the pull and exactly when the gun will fire.
I HIGHLY recommend the RRA 2 stage... They're cheap, and work great.
you might want to try Bill Springfield at Bill Springfield - www.TriggerWork.net a lot of people on another forum I troll use these. All you do is send him your stock FCG and a $35 and he makes a super nice 3.5-4lb trigger for you.
If you're going for the two stage and Bill Springfield get the RRA Lower Parts Kit (LPK). The DPMS LPK is long and creepy, and is not conducive to good accuracy. I've noticed that when I switched from the DPMS to my Timney that I can shoot a lot better as I'm concentrating on the target and not the heavy trigger pull.
Do triggers really affect accuracy that much? My biggest problem was always holding the rifle steady, especially when I'm at the range...the owner kinda gave me that funny "I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't do that" look when I went prone instead of using his rickety old tables.
I've got the standard trigger from my DPMS lower parts kit, and it seems to be working just fine for me.
If you want to improve accuracy, a good trigger group is the best thing you can do to any weapon. no matter how hard you try, if your dragging a heavy trigger pull with a lot of creep (useless pull through area) your grip pressure is going to change, it just cant be helped. no matter how hard you try, it is going to have an effect. you may have your doupts, but put a crisp, clean breaking trigger in and your consistancy will improve resulting in better groupings. bench bolt action target guns I run 2 pound triggers. semi autos I like them at 3 pounds. also hunting bolt guns at 3 pounds. it has made a huge difference for me.
on semi autos I myself would not go below 3 pounds just because of the nature of how the gun works. a lot of extra energy is is in action with the bolt cycling, although the disconnector is going to keep everything in check, I've just never considered needing lighter than 3 pounds on semi's. but thats just my opinion.
some people like 2 stage triggers, I myself do not care for them. when I put pressure on the trigger I dont want to feel it move, all I want to feel at that point is recoil.
Timney 3# is the answer. Over the stock trigger it will cut your groups in half. EASY peasy install, they feel like a dream. Other brands I am sure are just as nice, I just don't feel any need to look elsewhere.
And FWIW I don't like two-stage triggers either.
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I put the timney in my AR and it eliminated the jerk of my old 7lber with that smooth mouse click of a 3.. put my shots closer together and took out 100% of creep. All you have to do is drop it in and put in 2 screws.. worth every penny
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I have the RRA stage match trigger in my SPR build. Im satisfied with it. YMMV
That's what is in my Bushmaster . . . I think. 2.5 to 3 # pull. I know it's not stock but I can't find some of the papers that the guy I bought it off of gave me. I know I like the way it touches off though. I have a Galil in .223 and it's like pulling a sled with the ski's turned side ways. So I wanted to avoid that with this build. A friend of mine let me shoot his Colt AR with a two stage trigger last night and I don't think I like it as much as a single.
__________________ If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective. -Ted Nugent
If you want to improve accuracy, a good trigger group is the best thing you can do to any weapon. no matter how hard you try, if your dragging a heavy trigger pull with a lot of creep (useless pull through area) your grip pressure is going to change, it just cant be helped. no matter how hard you try, it is going to have an effect. you may have your doupts, but put a crisp, clean breaking trigger in and your consistancy will improve resulting in better groupings. bench bolt action target guns I run 2 pound triggers. semi autos I like them at 3 pounds. also hunting bolt guns at 3 pounds. it has made a huge difference for me.
I guess I just never noticed. I grew up poor, and I'm used to shooting "crap" guns. I'm from the Eddie Van Halen school of shooting (make your ukulele sound like a Stradivarius, by PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!). I can take off-the-rack budget ammo and put 9 out of 10 rounds inside a quarter, with what I've got. I'd love to put them inside a dime.
Thanks for the info, dammit! Now I have to go get a match trigger!
Thanks for the info, dammit! Now I have to go get a match trigger!
once you step over, you'll never go back.
except for tiggers I've done myself, everything else has been a Timney replacement trigger group for me and I've been very happy with their products. very easy to install.
if you are mechanically inclined at all you could try stoning down your stock trigger, it's time-consuming but you can get a nice clean break and a lighter pull by getting everything nice and square and smooth.
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I guess I just never noticed. I grew up poor, and I'm used to shooting "crap" guns. I'm from the Eddie Van Halen school of shooting (make your ukulele sound like a Stradivarius, by PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!). I can take off-the-rack budget ammo and put 9 out of 10 rounds inside a quarter, with what I've got. I'd love to put them inside a dime.
Thanks for the info, dammit! Now I have to go get a match trigger!
I've never been rich, my folks hate guns, so I bought what I could. I'm a big believer in buying the best quality stuff for the money. Even when I was in college (which I paid for) I managed to buy a Colt 1911 and a Remington 700. No they weren't cheap, but I only had to cry a few times when I plunked my hard earned money down. And I got excellent resale on them when I had my kid (raising her by myself, thank you).
NRA Lifer. God bless our troops.
