Upgrades are as follows: Rubber butt pad, UTG universal bipod, and upgraded from a 3-9x pos to a 10-40x slightly better than pos scope :P. Hope to get some good groups now.
now THAT'S a scope! can you post a pic of the mount?
whoot's is right. if shooting for groups, ditch the bipod and get the sandbags under the action instead, right about where the ruskies set those finger grooves. try it both ways and see. i bet the groups get smaller without the forward bipod.
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Didnt you make some hits out to 1000 with your previous setup? I dunno if you could do much better. That bipod will change your rifles barrel harmonics making it less consistent. Thats what the whootsinator is talking about, I use shooting bags for a rest, try it out.
Good luck with your setup, I have an ATI mount scoped 91/30 that does really well... It only wears a 4x though.... Although in hindsight I should maybe upgrade to a 10x-40x, that way I can see the expression on the fleas face when I shoot it off of a dogs behind.
Please let us know how good your groups are.
I have the ATI scope mount as well. I'll report back on both with and without the bipod. I put it on there mostly because this gun is now on the heavy side (scope is like 2.1lbs). I'm still not sure on the harmonics thing, I've heard people say if the barrel is not dampened it'll shoot better, others say worse. This bipod could act as a good dampening device but it depends on however the hell the shock wave travels through the barrel. For all I know it might be right where the sweet spot is, we'll see this weekend hopefully. Yeah, I hit 1000 yards with my previous setup but it was ASS HARD. Much of that was due to the crosshairs being so thick it looked like they were drawn on by a sharpie. Much can also be attributed to some serious optical anomolies that were tripping me out when trying to see that 1000 yard gong. Add to that fact that the 1/4 minutes of angle were not consistent so whenever I changed zeroes and wanted to go back using the same number of clicks the shots were way off. New scope looks like the crosshairs were cut with a razor, they're clear and it illuminates green or red, here the link for the scope. Scopes, Scopes, Long Range Tactical Scope, By Osprey at Sportsman's Guide
The last major problem I face with this gun is that the barrel and receiver are out of alignment, i.e. the receiver is straight and the barrel is off .5-1 degree (maybe not even that much, but enough) so that the scope has to be zeroed all the way off to the left almost. With a little effort I was able to offset the scope mount enough so I had a little wiggle room. If anyone has any suggestions on how to fix THAT problem I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.
I have to agree with Whootsinator. Any time you clamp something to the barrel, you change the barrel harmonics. It's one reason Jeff Cooper wanted a bipod that folded out from the forearm rather than clamping to the barrel for the Scout Rifle.
I just traded for a 91/30 that has a sling stud screwed into the cleaning rod channel. It was put there for the purpose of taking a bipod. I have no idea what make and model of bipod fits a sling stud; but if you can find it, that might solve the mutually exclusive problems of mounting a bipod and not adding variability to the barrel harmonics.
so that the scope has to be zeroed all the way off to the left almost
You could try shimming the scope on the side between the scope and the rings, that might work and give you a little windage. Try using small strips of aluminum from a soda can. Hopefully that might work, I heard of something similar somewhere, any body here hear of that?
"The last major problem I face with this gun is that the barrel and receiver are out of alignment, i.e. the receiver is straight and the barrel is off .5-1 degree"
Can you share your knowledge on how you were able to measure this?
"The last major problem I face with this gun is that the barrel and receiver are out of alignment, i.e. the receiver is straight and the barrel is off .5-1 degree"
Can you share your knowledge on how you were able to measure this?"
Sheer awesomeness! All joking aside, I'm more or less making an observation/estimation, I didn't use any tools, the gunsmith who mounted the scope mount let me know and it's possible to see looking from the top down.
"The last major problem I face with this gun is that the barrel and receiver are out of alignment, i.e. the receiver is straight and the barrel is off .5-1 degree"
Can you share your knowledge on how you were able to measure this?"
Sheer awesomeness! All joking aside, I'm more or less making an observation/estimation, I didn't use any tools, the gunsmith who mounted the scope mount let me know and it's possible to see looking from the top down.
Is it possible its not out of alignment and your barrel is bent? If the receiver was threaded off center but the barrel is still running parallel to the receiver,its an easy fix, get a set of Millet windage adjustable scope rings and adjust them to bring the scope over the center of the barrel.
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On 29" barrel, 1 degree out of alignment makes muzzle end of the barrel to shift 1/2" from the axis of the receiver. Barreled action with such deviation will not fit the stock, or if forced into the stock, barrel will be pre-loaded with considerable side force from the stock.
If you see such misalignment, you better do something, or rifle will not shoot.
Normally that'd worry me kortik, but I've put hundreds of rounds through this mosin with no problems and the thing is damn accurate. As far as the alignment problem....turned the rings around, looks alot straighter now.
On 29" barrel, 1 degree out of alignment makes muzzle end of the barrel to shift 1/2" from the axis of the receiver. Barreled action with such deviation will not fit the stock, or if forced into the stock, barrel will be pre-loaded with considerable side force from the stock.
If you see such misalignment, you better do something, or rifle will not shoot.
interesting. for some reason, i didn't think it would be that much. what's the formula?
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Normally that'd worry me kortik, but I've put hundreds of rounds through this mosin with no problems and the thing is damn accurate. As far as the alignment problem....turned the rings around, looks alot straighter now.
wait. are you saying that it all looked crooked and that the smith said the barrel was out of alignment and it turned out it was the scope rings you paid him to install that was the problem? if i got that right, do not use that guy anymore!
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No, the barrel angles off to the left of the receiver slightly. The scope mount is straight on the receiver (though the gunsmith did overcharge me for the whole setup and I won't be using him again). The rings are fine, all I did was turn them around and re-attached them and the scope looks much straighter than when the rings were in the OEM position (screw on the right side).
No, the barrel angles off to the left of the receiver slightly. The scope mount is straight on the receiver (though the gunsmith did overcharge me for the whole setup and I won't be using him again). The rings are fine, all I did was turn them around and re-attached them and the scope looks much straighter than when the rings were in the OEM position (screw on the right side).
Go find you a narrow forked tree and and lay the barreled action in it and then pull real hard the oppisite direction.
This is how a custom muzzel loader maker trues up the barrels. So I did'nt make it up LOL
Go find you a narrow forked tree and and lay the barreled action in it and then pull real hard the oppisite direction.
This is how a custom muzzel loader maker trues up the barrels. So I did'nt make it up LOL
I've heard of this as well. A local police officer told me about a police firearms instructor who used to do the same thing with .357 revolvers back in the day.
