I did a penetration test with the 210gr Partition out of my 338Win Mag moving at 2936fps.
Frist I used 9 hard plastic gallon jugs as the test media. I fired from 10yds away. Here are the 9 jugs measuring in length 49.5 inches or 4.125 feet deep.
Second here is the impact effect of the 210gr Partition and note it traveled to the back side of the seventh jug and punched a hole but did not have enough energy and momentum to exit the seventh jug. Also look at the front jug way off to the right and the 9th jug was knocked back and off the table from the impact. The 210gr Partition traveled 38.5 inches or 3.208 feet through the media. Here is the 210gr Partition recovered from the seventh jug with the front part of the partition gone and the back like it is suppose to be. The back remaining part to the partition weighed 148.4grs.
I do not think there is any doubt about the 210gr Partition killing anything it hits up close or far off when traveling over 2900fps.
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Now that's a really good demonstration to show the power of the the 210 grain round. Good idea to use the water jugs, too. Better'n throwing them in the trash barrel.
in the 90's i shot an elk and recovered the bullet with a perfect expansion as the one you have pictured, sent the bullet to remington with elk hair still on it and they sent me a case of ammo. to make a long story short try it sometime. send your kill bullet to the manufacture of the bullet and you might get lucky like i did and get some free ammo for the bullet. in my case it was .308 180g corelokt ammo.
The bonded bullets are out performing the partitions both in penetration and terminal ballistics.It is hard to beat tripple expansion and 90%+ weight retention. ,,,sam.
The bonded bullets are out performing the partitions both in penetration and terminal ballistics.It is hard to beat tripple expansion and 90%+ weight retention. ,,,sam.
Sam, that is not true not any where near the truth. Independent test show that the Partition wound channel is much more lethal, but more important for the last four years I have compared on game the Accubond, TSX and Partition and the Partition by far is a better killer. Not going to get in a long running debate about what I have seen and experienced in the field many times and I mean many times on hunts and culling for the state I live in.
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Sam, that is not true not any where near the truth. Independent test show that the Partition wound channel is much more lethal, but more important for the last four years I have compared on game the Accubond, TSX and Partition and the Partition by far is a better killer. Not going to get in a long running debate about what I have seen and experienced in the field many times and I mean many times on hunts and culling for the state I live in.
It,s simple to go through the web and find plenty to substantiate what I say.The bonded bullet,once it looses its frontal weight,looses a lot of energy/penetration.I don't know if Nosler is bonding their partitions yet but other Co,s are and they work great.But that would be classed as a bonded bullet.Are you a profeshinal hunter?For the state,any state to use anyone not a profeshional hunter to cull game would wind them in court with gigantic law suits.Most states use the roundup and transfer method.To me,the best method is special hunts.That is not a cull,just a special hunt.I never said partition wasn't a good bullet,I just stated bonded bullets were doing better. Anyway,if anyone doubts my statement,just spend some time researching bonded bullets and terminal ballistics.You can make up your own mind. ,,,sam.
It,s simple to go through the web and find plenty to substantiate what I say.The bonded bullet,once it looses its frontal weight,looses a lot of energy/penetration.I don't know if Nosler is bonding their partitions yet but other Co,s are and they work great.But that would be classed as a bonded bullet.Are you a profeshinal hunter?For the state,any state to use anyone not a profeshional hunter to cull game would wind them in court with gigantic law suits.Most states use the roundup and transfer method.To me,the best method is special hunts.That is not a cull,just a special hunt.I never said partition wasn't a good bullet,I just stated bonded bullets were doing better. Anyway,if anyone doubts my statement,just spend some time researching bonded bullets and terminal ballistics.You can make up your own mind. ,,,sam.
Sam, what makes you think I do not hold a professional status and licensed so in my state? Sam, I am not going to argue with you any farther and I hope you do not take it personal.
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Sam, what makes you think I do not hold a professional status and licensed so in my state? Sam, I am not going to argue with you any farther and I hope you do not take it personal.
Mainly by the way you post it.There is no argument. ,,,sam.
Sam and Circuitrider, I think I see storm clouds on the horrizon here, and I don't wish to be involved beyond stateing my experience with both types of bullets, on very large mean animals that require some killing to stop.
This may not mean anything to an elk or deer hunter, but I think it may shed some light on the subject. The two partition type bullets most commonly used on heavy animals are the Nosler Partition (Unbonded), and the Swift A-frame (Bonded). For this comparison we will take cape Buffalo, which have a hide and bone that can do some real damage to a bullet. and require a lot of penetration to get to the vitals, and beyond.
The only one shot kills I have ever experienced on Cape Buffalo have been with a 300 gr Nosler Partitions from a 375 H&H, while all others required at least three shots regardless of bullet type, or caliber. The Swift A-frames are used a lot by client hunters on Buffalo in Africa, but are not well liked by most PHs there. The fact that they are bonded makes the form a mushroom type expansion, that is very smooth, and does far less tissue damage along the wound channel, than the same weight Nosler Partition, which framents the front part of the bullet, spreying shrapnell throug the lungs, and heart even if it misses the heart by a little. The penetration of the bonded A-frame may be a bit more than the Partition, but I haven't seen it if it is.
I shot a Cape Buffalo bull just where the neck meets the shoulder and low in line with the heart/lung area, and aimed at the off side hind leg. The Partition entered about 10" above the brisket, ripped the top of the heart to shreds, and part of the front of the right lung, and totally destroying the left lung. rangeing into the paunch, filled tight with grass, and ended up just under the skin in front of the left hind leg. Killing the buffalo in 30 feet where he went down on his nose. The bullet is in front of me as I type this, and it lost most of the front half of the bullet, but the back took it all the way to his hind leg, about 4 1/2 feet of penetration, and the damage was extensive.
I think the bonded core bullets are fine on deer elk, and moose, but on the big "bite backs" make mine a Nosler partition if it is available in the caliber I'm shooting.
The penetrations tests like the one posted here are not very valuable, as an indication of what a bullet will do on animals, but they are fun to do anyway. That would show a better indication if the jugs had been closed in between two one by six and fronted with about 8 inches of wet news print, then a piece of 3/8ths inch plywood soaked for a few days before the test, then aboth three jugs, aniother piece of the 3/8th s plywood, then 8 inches of wet news print on the other end of the column. This would have more closely duplicated a broadside elk or moose, or with more added a length wise shot on a big elk.
I like to see the results of this done a little differently, though nothing will actually duplicate an elk but an elk!
Thank you for that write up. I like Sam and would not have engaged in an argument with him on this subject. I have been to Africa and used the A-Frame thinking it was the best choice and on a lion I wished I had used a Partition. All my experience with the Partition has been on hogs, deer, elk and black bear and it is a devastating bullet but I have not been able to recover one. The only thing I recovered was the game. Thanks again for your comments and explanations, they have been valuable to all of us who hunt a lot.
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I guess this issue is all up to personal experience.I enjoyed the test very much. There is no way to really decide it.I can safely say either bullet is good.I never said Noslers were bad.They have proven themselves with just a few failures I know of.I only said the bonded is doing better. My experience both checking with hunters,my personal use, and several wet paper tests,the bonded bullets had a slight edge.That was all I was saying in my first post.My experience,the bonded make a better wound channel and penetrate deeper.I hope that this will lead others to test more bullets. ,,,sam.
