Have you found surplus .303 at .25-.30/round at recent gun shows?
Well, it's a silly question but maybe it is possible to find stuff which will function 90% of the time. Already have a 'fair bit'.
As a guy who will ask (Mrs.) Santa Claus to send a low-cost set of Lee loading equipment (my first equip.), it might be a better investment to buy another 200 rds. of new Prvi Partizan.
Prvi cases, in my experience, are excellent. Primers (CCI and Federal have been tried) go in fine with the press arm (unlike another brand I could name). They seem to last a fair bit too.
You can't go wrong with reloading to save money on reloading. I too have found the Privi brass to hold up well to reloading. I have bought Remington brass and it seems to just as good. Now the Privi ammo shoots well out of my rifles and I have zero complaints about it, but it is still more money than reloading.
Yes, many people swear by Prvi, and it is supposed to be good for multiple reloading. This is still manufactured in Serbia and is reported to be high quality.
I have two hundred rounds for whenever my first reloading gear (my only motivation is for my LEs) is bought.
But have you guys found actual (old) surplus at gun shows-for example, old British, South African or typical POF?
If so, is it often listed much more than .30/round?
About the cheapest .303 I see lately was Prvi Partizan from AIM which came in at just over 60 cents a round shipped. Can't even find any Milsurp deals.
Glad I reload and just bought 2000 147 grain projectiles not too long ago.
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You guys down there don't know how lucky you are.
Up here in poor overtaxed Canada the cheapest I can find Privi 150 grain for is $24.00 per box...plus 13% taxes on top. Privi 174 grain is another 2-3 dollars on top of that.
All other 303 (Winchester, Remington etc) seems to be anywhere from $24-28 a box (plus our usual 13% taxes here in Ontario). Even Walmart is $24.00 last time I looked.
So when you talk about 60c a round that sounds pretty good to me.
You guys down there don't know how lucky you are.
Up here in poor overtaxed Canada the cheapest I can find Privi 150 grain for is $24.00 per box...plus 13% taxes on top. Privi 174 grain is another 2-3 dollars on top of that.
All other 303 (Winchester, Remington etc) seems to be anywhere from $24-28 a box (plus our usual 13% taxes here in Ontario). Even Walmart is $24.00 last time I looked.
So when you talk about 60c a round that sounds pretty good to me.
Peter (Ontario, Canada)
In England soft points (hunting rounds) in 303 are £1.00 per round (US$1.66 or Can$1.76)
Privi (when you can find it) comes out at just under half that price at around £40 per 20.
In England soft points (hunting rounds) in 303 are £1.00 per round (US$1.66 or Can$1.76)
Privi (when you can find it) comes out at just under half that price at around £40 per 20.
As an English ex-pat I am surprised/impressed that anything is cheaper in England.
Alan can anyone go in & buy ammo in England?. I was just wondering about bringing some back next time I am there. Privi at 70c there vs $1.15 here is quite a difference.
On my trips back I have only ever noticed chocolate, cream & biscuits cheaper (& better) in England vs. Canada. Of course the last time I was there I didn't have a gun license or any guns (14 months ago).
Peter (Ontario, Canada)
Former resident of Camberley, Surrey & frequent visitor to Harlow, Essex
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Originally Posted by Alan De Enfield
OOOoooops - that should have read "around £40 per hundred".
It was posted late at night after a long day - but thanks for pointing it out.
As an English ex-pat I am surprised/impressed that anything is cheaper in England.
Alan can anyone go in & buy ammo in England?. I was just wondering about bringing some back next time I am there. Privi at 70c there vs $1.15 here is quite a difference.
On my trips back I have only ever noticed chocolate, cream & biscuits cheaper (& better) in England vs. Canada. Of course the last time I was there I didn't have a gun license or any guns (14 months ago).
Peter (Ontario, Canada)
Former resident of Camberley, Surrey & frequent visitor to Harlow, Essex
NO, No, No .
Every round is logged into the Firearm Dealer (RFD), he can only sell it to a holder of a Firearm Certificate (FAC) who has authority for that calibre, The quantity of ammunition purchased is logged onto the individuals FAC and recorded in the RFD's sales book which is then sent to the Police so they can see who is buying / using ammunition.
If you do not buy enough ammunition each year (enough by the Police standards) then they can withdraw your FAC as you obviously do not need it.
I think you'd struggle to take ammo thru customs and on board a plane.
Thanks Alan,
Sounds like my decision to buy a press & learn to reload was a good one.
Your statement below (in red) seems to imply that you have to show a "need" in order to get an FAC. Would something like " I want to shoot as a hobby" qualify.
Peter
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Originally Posted by Alan De Enfield
NO, No, No .
Every round is logged into the Firearm Dealer (RFD), he can only sell it to a holder of a Firearm Certificate (FAC) who has authority for that calibre, The quantity of ammunition purchased is logged onto the individuals FAC and recorded in the RFD's sales book which is then sent to the Police so they can see who is buying / using ammunition. If you do not buy enough ammunition each year (enough by the Police standards) then they can withdraw your FAC as you obviously do not need it.
I think you'd struggle to take ammo thru customs and on board a plane.
M14man,
Right on...cherish & nurture & be grateful for the freedom you have. Many other people in many Countries would like to have a fraction of the freedom that you enjoy. But you need to stand on guard, in every country including America there are those who think they know better than you how you should live your life.
Peter (Ontario, Canada)
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Originally Posted by M14man
A note to us Americans...Do not let that happen here!
Thanks Alan,
Sounds like my decision to buy a press & learn to reload was a good one.
Your statement below (in red) seems to imply that you have to show a "need" in order to get an FAC. Would something like " I want to shoot as a hobby" qualify.
Peter
You need to provide adequate justification to be permitted (note - permitted !!! it is not a right) a Firearm Certificate.
Justfications that are acceptable are normally :
a) A member of a shooting range (more than 3 months) and support of the committe.
b) Hunting - when you must provide evidence of suitable ground and permisssion from the land owner. The ground is surveyed by the Police to determine if it is suitable for the calibre you are requesting.
You need two 'witnesses' (professional people such as lawers or bank managers) who have to write into the Police commenting on your mental stability, family life / situation etc. etc.
The Police also contact your Doctor for a report.
Your FAC needs renewing every 5 years.
Your Firearm certificate details exactly where you can shoot, and lists every rifle in your posession, if you want another rifle then you must apply to the Police for a 'variation' (to add an additional rifle onto your FAC) You cannot buy one until you have this Variation (it takes about 6 weeks) When you have purchased your new rifle you must notify the Police (and the seller is also obliged to notify your local Police that you have purchased it)
The Police take a lot of persuading that you need more than one rifle of each calibre. To be allowed three 7.62s I had to explain that one had open sights for 'Military target' shooting, one had 'Target' sights and the other had a scope. Similarly with my .22s, one with scope for daytime shooting, and one with a scope and lamp mounting for shooting rabbits at night. Crazy but thats the system.
I am very fortunate in that the Police have OK'd the land I own as being suitable for all calibres up to and including 303 and 7.62 so I can shoot all my rifles 'at home'.
I also have been granted an 'Open' FAC which allows me to decide if the land I want to shoot is safe for that calibre without having to get the Police to survey the land in question.
It is a cumbersome system and does nothing to keep 'guns off the street' but it does still allow us to have rifles (pistols are totally banned) if we 'play the game'.
If the Swiss still allow/require most men to belong to the reserves and keep a rifle at home, then those British laws would almost motivate me to move to Switzerland.
Having just returned from shooting about 70 rds. of .22 from a 40's-vintage Savage into the rocky area by a river, the description of such regulations makes quite an impression. The nearest houses are about 3/4 mile away....after about forty+ times, no complaints over the last year and a half.
This is The South, and only about six miles from the largest shopping mall in the area.
A guy from southern England, who works for an affiliated company here is described as a real gun nut.
Having read about the UK regs, it is very easy to see that he also appreciates his freedom with guns, maybe more than most of us do.
He once told me that back home he can't even simply buy a pellet gun and go hit cans!
