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Old 11-15-2009, 02:28 AM   #1
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I thought the first amendment doesn't allow this?

Mass. principal bans students from saying 'Meep!' - Yahoo! News

The word isn't even a profanity! Even then, profanity in school was only looked down upon, never punished for. At least it wasn't when I was there four years ago.
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Old 11-15-2009, 02:36 AM   #2
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Everything has it's limits. The students were disrupting classes and normal school operations. You have to draw the line somewhere, or the students would never learn anything except how to disrupt school and say "meep!". It's kind of hard to get a good job with only those two skills.
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Old 11-15-2009, 02:49 AM   #3
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The right to free speach stops when it is deemed to be hazardous to others like shouting FIRE! in a crowded movie theater. It is not an absolute right. In the end you can be held responsable for the results of you speach if the end result causes harm to someone and they can prove that you knew that this was a forseable outcome of it.

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Old 11-15-2009, 03:54 AM   #5
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Old 11-15-2009, 05:23 AM   #6
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Let these meeping morons lose their education. Soon, they are behind that little window asking, "Meep! You want fries with that?"
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Old 11-15-2009, 07:50 AM   #7
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Meep?....gimme a break....
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Old 11-15-2009, 08:15 AM   #8
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I've seen this and think it falls in the seriously silly category -- who cares if kids go "meep meep" as long as they aren't blurting stuff out and disrupting class.

The 1A has some issues in schools due to the disruption factor--while you always have the 1A right to speak (and pray by the way) in school that doesn't mean you can talk all the time in classes or interrupt them with prayer time in the middle of a class and disrupt others. While you still have the 1A right you might find yourself kicked out of that particular school for disrupting classes (as you might at a private college, or dinner party speech for that matter).

1A (or 2A, or 4A, etc.) rights can NEVER be "restricted" ("reasonably" or otherwise) because a government does NOT grant them--they are granted by a power greater than ourselves. The Constitution AFFIRMS these rights and acts to limit government. (the "congress shall pass no law" part of our constitution). Sometimes leftist liberals and our politicians have great difficulty grasping this concept--as they do with large portions of our Constitution which they errantly view as an obstruction (apparently thinking little of their oath to support and defend it) vice a job description. Free people have very basic inherent rights (including self defense) which are granted by our Creator. NO government can negate these, although some might act to hurt people exercising them.

Maybe it's not the "leftist liberals" (I don't have a better term; sorry) fault--they're just stupid I think--it goes against narrow minded peoples' viewpoint to realize they can't play God and control everything (and that human "power" is pretty darn limited). This creates a conflict in their own mind and they get all spun up.

The "fire in a crowded theater" isn't a very good analogy and is often misunderstood. What this means is one can't hide behind the Constitution for irresponsible actions and it isn't a limit on a 1A right (which by definition can't be limited). If you USE your 1A right to hurt others you bear the legitimate responsibility for your actions. If you threaten someone you can't hide behind "freedom of speech" when the other person acts to negate your threat. Likewise, freedom of religion doesn't give one the right to go out and hurt others.

Similarly, the 2A gives one the absolute right to keep and bear arms (although has been illegally restricted in many municipalities) under all circumstances. However, one can't hide behind this right when one handles a firearm recklessly and hurts (or threatens) someone.

So we see the Constitution can't be used as a shield when one uses their God-Granted rights to hurt others.
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Old 11-15-2009, 11:24 AM   #9
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Read the article, it was a planned disruption.

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Who knew "Meep!" was a four-letter word? The utterance favored by bungling lab assistant Beaker of "The Muppet Show" has been banned at Danvers High School in Massachusetts after students said it to repeatedly interrupt school.

Principal Thomas Murray said the word was part of a disruption planned using Facebook.

The Salem News reports that parents recently got an automated call about "Meep!" from Murray. He warned them that students who said or displayed the word at school could be suspended.

Murray says the warning was needed because students didn't heed his "reasonable request" to stop the meeping.

Danvers High sophomore Melanie Crane says it doesn't mean anything in particular.
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Old 11-15-2009, 11:54 AM   #10
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anybody have a teenager?... i do, and he is annoying as all getout. They use the point system at his school, he gets points all the time for blurting stuff out... he does it here at the house aswell... he can control it, he chooses not to and when he does it in class he gets introuble as well, because it is a disruption to the other students, we try to explain this to him but hes a teen and thinks he knows everything...
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:16 PM   #11
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It's the principal's middle name......
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Old 11-15-2009, 01:21 PM   #12
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It sounds to me like this is the kids trying to push buttons...big suprise, and the school is pushing back as they should.
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I see a deliberately organized pattern of intentional disruption of the educational process. The principal became aware of it and had the good heart to warn the students about this particular disruptive behavior and the consequences. In the view of this educator of 40+ years in junior high and high school, I think he handled it well. Any kid who elects to challenge the warning should be summarily hanged from the flagpole by the earlobes to see how much wind it takes to make them flap.
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Old 11-15-2009, 06:53 PM   #14
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Let these meeping morons lose their education. Soon, they are behind that little window asking, "Meep! You want fries with that?"
True, or even worse for our society, "Where is my handout so I can live comfortably, not work, and say 'meep' all day!"
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Old 11-15-2009, 07:29 PM   #15
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Massachusetts,what more can you say? It produces nothing but irritants.
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Old 11-15-2009, 07:41 PM   #16
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I thought that particular section of the U.S. map was called Taxachusetts.
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Old 11-15-2009, 07:58 PM   #17
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Kids always come up with expressions that make their elders think "the country is doomed" (meep, 23 skidoo, the bee's knees, gnarly dude, right on?) but they don't have the right to disrupt the biz of a school.
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Old 11-15-2009, 10:02 PM   #18
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Meep! Meep! said the Roadrunner then sped away, leaving Wile E. Coyote in a cloud of dust......which, when cleared, he realized that he was over a cliff and about to fall.
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Old 11-15-2009, 10:12 PM   #19
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If the kids were disrupting the class the principal has a duty to the other students to stop the disruption. My wife taught for 35 years. She retired mainly because the discipline was so bad. They had a principle that would not enforce the rules nor discipline the trouble makers. I say, way to go principle. If enough of them were like that it would be a better place. If u allow it at home a child will assume that it is OK. My kids knew better.
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:38 AM   #20
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Go ahead tell me I cant MEEP all I want. Ill sue ya.
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