CCC Camps again?

Boone · 11-16-2009, 07:55 PM

My dads first job was in the Civilian Conservation Corps. That was back in the 30's when there wasn't any jobs available. He got an opportunity at a better job after a while and was encouraged to take it. He wound up being the Personnel Director for a large paper mill and made a very good living. He worked his way up from the very bottom. What is wrong with having the same opportunities for people today. Instead of just giving them a living on the dole, put them to work. Men and Women alike. This is not political in any way, but a way to get people off a cycle of living that they will never change unless they are forced to change. I am 100% in favor of helping those that cannot help themsleves. But those that choose to do nothing and get paid for it are dragging our country down with them.

SwedeSteve · 11-17-2009, 01:04 AM

Sounds good to me...

petrol · 11-17-2009, 01:52 AM

I agree. there is no free lunch. every one works or they don't eat. oops., thats socialism.

samuel · 11-17-2009, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by petrol

I agree. there is no free lunch. every one works or they don't eat. oops., thats socialism.

Socialism would work if everyone worked.(produced)Thats why it won't work.If you get equal amounts whether you work or not,there is no incentive to work. ,,,sam.

hay1 · 11-17-2009, 05:39 AM

CCC would never be able to fill any jobs nowadays. Simply because too many people are on the public dole and many more wanting to be. They don't want work, they want free food, money, housing, cars, etc. The CCC did NOT provide that.

Robertm · 11-17-2009, 06:19 AM

I believe people who have any "grit" in them, would work for a
program like the ccc, and i think there are a lot of them. The
"want you to give it to me" people still wouldn't. I think they
should all do something for the handouts they receive, even if
it's just keeping the city, town, highways, streets clean.

nathangdad · 11-17-2009, 06:32 AM

I totally support the idea. Just look at all the urban blight in so many of our major cities. The cities could buy a blighted area or in some way make a forced acquisiion under eminent domain. The unemployed and young people could dismantle the area then turn it into city parkland or some other useful situation thus encouraging others to buy property near the project, tear down the blight, and build nice homes.

G. Green · 11-17-2009, 06:39 AM

Not to mention those CCC guys did some great projects that still stand.

jerry · 11-17-2009, 06:57 AM

My first "real job" was YCC (Youth Conservation Corps)

Deersniper · 11-17-2009, 09:47 AM

As long as they are not misused by either party.

SwedeSteve · 11-17-2009, 11:23 AM

How would they be misused ??

larmus · 11-17-2009, 11:45 AM

it would be good to see the work camps back, things would get done and people would get feed

petrol · 11-17-2009, 12:10 PM

Eminent domain, forced labour camps? this is a little frightening.

SwedeSteve · 11-17-2009, 01:00 PM

It's not forced labor really. You want a job, we've got one. And you no longer get paid to sit on your butt, if you can work and choose not to. Talk about reducing federal spending !!

The CCC put a lot of people to work after the Depression. They did projects in every state and territory. We could go to work rebuilding our infrastructure, cleaning up out waters, and building The Southern Wall of the US.

iflylow74 · 11-17-2009, 01:39 PM

I think it's a good idea!! Also if you are receiving public assistance then you should work for the public whether it be sweeping the streets, cleaning up parks or what have you.

I saw an article where a politician in Memphis wanted parents who didn't keep their kids in school would lose some of their welfare check. People were very upset about it but it makes sence to me!!!!

Rave · 11-17-2009, 01:51 PM

The CCC might work for a while,especially with our southern visitors,but it would not be long before the old card deck would come out and they would have to be closed.
In the 30's there were no race cards,that's why it worked.

SwedeSteve · 11-17-2009, 01:55 PM

An interesting tidbit:
"The history of welfare in the U.S. started long before the government welfare programs we know were created. In the early days of the United States, the colonies imported the British Poor Laws. These laws made a distinction between those who were unable to work due to their age or physical health and those who were able-bodied but unemployed. The former group was assisted with cash or alternative forms of help from the government. The latter group was given public service employment in workhouses."

FortyXDM · 11-17-2009, 04:38 PM

Socialism will not work in this country because American's like to OWN STUFF.

pontiac_fiero_g · 11-17-2009, 05:05 PM

the first welfare project in america was tva and the dams, men were given money in exchange for working on the projects and most made a decent living earning a few dollars a day wich was much more than most were earning. i think that welfare should be abolished for the most part except in very rare cases. i think that if somebody can work and chooses not to then they should starve to death or learn to live of the land. i also beleive that women shouldnt keep having children to get more welfare i think that after 2 then she should either have her tubes tied, crotch glued shut, or cut of welfare permantly. also foodstamps are a big problem, in tennessee you get cut off for 2-3 years for trading them for drugs if it is the first offense, why not forever and you pay the state back triple what they gave you?

petrol · 11-17-2009, 05:51 PM

there's a lot of tyranny being being suggested on this tread. taking property, forced labor, forced sterilization. work details.

don't get me wrong, I'm very much against welfare (for the poor or the rich).

If someone buys a building and lets it sit and rot that's their business. I for one would love to live in a country where poor or weak or stupid people are allowed to starve in the street.

11-16-2009, 07:55 PM	#1
Boone Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 220	CCC Camps again? My dads first job was in the Civilian Conservation Corps. That was back in the 30's when there wasn't any jobs available. He got an opportunity at a better job after a while and was encouraged to take it. He wound up being the Personnel Director for a large paper mill and made a very good living. He worked his way up from the very bottom. What is wrong with having the same opportunities for people today. Instead of just giving them a living on the dole, put them to work. Men and Women alike. This is not political in any way, but a way to get people off a cycle of living that they will never change unless they are forced to change. I am 100% in favor of helping those that cannot help themsleves. But those that choose to do nothing and get paid for it are dragging our country down with them.

11-17-2009, 01:04 AM	#2
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 25,529	Sounds good to me... __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

11-17-2009, 01:52 AM	#3
petrol Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 825	I agree. there is no free lunch. every one works or they don't eat. oops., thats socialism. __________________ If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately. Thomas Paine

11-17-2009, 06:32 AM	#7
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,781	Well, I totally support the idea. Just look at all the urban blight in so many of our major cities. The cities could buy a blighted area or in some way make a forced acquisiion under eminent domain. The unemployed and young people could dismantle the area then turn it into city parkland or some other useful situation thus encouraging others to buy property near the project, tear down the blight, and build nice homes.

11-17-2009, 06:39 AM	#8
G. Green Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NE OK Posts: 1,023	Not to mention those CCC guys did some great projects that still stand. __________________ "The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance" Einstein

11-17-2009, 05:39 AM	#5
hay1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: republic of Texas Posts: 106	CCC would never be able to fill any jobs nowadays. Simply because too many people are on the public dole and many more wanting to be. They don't want work, they want free food, money, housing, cars, etc. The CCC did NOT provide that.

11-17-2009, 06:19 AM	#6
Robertm Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kennesaw, GA Posts: 148	I believe people who have any "grit" in them, would work for a program like the ccc, and i think there are a lot of them. The "want you to give it to me" people still wouldn't. I think they should all do something for the handouts they receive, even if it's just keeping the city, town, highways, streets clean.

11-17-2009, 06:57 AM	#9
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 13,639 Blog Entries: 1	My first "real job" was YCC (Youth Conservation Corps)

11-17-2009, 09:47 AM	#10
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,145	As long as they are not misused by either party.

11-17-2009, 11:23 AM	#11
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 25,529	How would they be misused ?? __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

11-17-2009, 11:45 AM	#12
larmus Domestic Engineer Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: arizona Posts: 3,389	it would be good to see the work camps back, things would get done and people would get feed __________________ Lawrence Home Defense: .45 and a Shovel...

11-17-2009, 12:10 PM	#13
petrol Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 825	Eminent domain, forced labour camps? this is a little frightening. __________________ If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately. Thomas Paine

11-17-2009, 01:00 PM	#14
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 25,529	It's not forced labor really. You want a job, we've got one. And you no longer get paid to sit on your butt, if you can work and choose not to. Talk about reducing federal spending !! The CCC put a lot of people to work after the Depression. They did projects in every state and territory. We could go to work rebuilding our infrastructure, cleaning up out waters, and building The Southern Wall of the US. __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !! Last edited by SwedeSteve; 11-17-2009 at 01:22 PM.

11-17-2009, 01:39 PM	#15
iflylow74 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Arkansas Territory Posts: 1,675 Blog Entries: 11	I think it's a good idea!! Also if you are receiving public assistance then you should work for the public whether it be sweeping the streets, cleaning up parks or what have you. I saw an article where a politician in Memphis wanted parents who didn't keep their kids in school would lose some of their welfare check. People were very upset about it but it makes sence to me!!!! __________________ Regnant Populi

11-17-2009, 01:51 PM	#16
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 8,621	The CCC might work for a while,especially with our southern visitors,but it would not be long before the old card deck would come out and they would have to be closed. In the 30's there were no race cards,that's why it worked. __________________ And the winner is.... .

11-17-2009, 01:55 PM	#17
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 25,529	An interesting tidbit: "The history of welfare in the U.S. started long before the government welfare programs we know were created. In the early days of the United States, the colonies imported the British Poor Laws. These laws made a distinction between those who were unable to work due to their age or physical health and those who were able-bodied but unemployed. The former group was assisted with cash or alternative forms of help from the government. *The latter group was given public service employment in workhouses*." __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

11-17-2009, 04:38 PM	#18
FortyXDM Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Gladstone, Mo. (kc area) Posts: 4,091	Socialism will not work in this country because American's like to OWN STUFF.

11-17-2009, 05:05 PM	#19
pontiac_fiero_g Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 261	the first welfare project in america was tva and the dams, men were given money in exchange for working on the projects and most made a decent living earning a few dollars a day wich was much more than most were earning. i think that welfare should be abolished for the most part except in very rare cases. i think that if somebody can work and chooses not to then they should starve to death or learn to live of the land. i also beleive that women shouldnt keep having children to get more welfare i think that after 2 then she should either have her tubes tied, crotch glued shut, or cut of welfare permantly. also foodstamps are a big problem, in tennessee you get cut off for 2-3 years for trading them for drugs if it is the first offense, why not forever and you pay the state back triple what they gave you? __________________ i didnt do it i promise...ok maby i did...mike

11-17-2009, 05:51 PM	#20
petrol Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 825	there's a lot of tyranny being being suggested on this tread. taking property, forced labor, forced sterilization. work details. don't get me wrong, I'm very much against welfare (for the poor or the rich). If someone buys a building and lets it sit and rot that's their business. I for one would love to live in a country where poor or weak or stupid people are allowed to starve in the street. __________________ If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately. Thomas Paine