Ok im not sure were this should go. if it needs moved im sorry.
i was just watching one of those O so famous hunting show's on TV and im auh struck at what they said..
and yes i know your not supposed to belive everything you see and hear on TV but i hate people that say things that are incorrect
dont remember his name but the guy was saying that if you sight your rifle in @ 100yds, with say a 150 grain bullet 1 1/2 in high, and you would have to switch to a heavier bullet or accidently buy the wrong ones that you should be ok and still close to zero @ 100.
i might be wrong but i was told and taught that every bullet weight flies differnt and the same thing with different mfg, and style.
IE a winchester 130 wont hit the same place as a fed or rem. 130.
AM I correct or was i alway miss lead.??????????
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Well, I agree that every bullet is different, but you should still be within "minute of deer" @ 100 yds with most bullet weights. I switch back and forth between 130 and 150 gr. loads in my .270 and they both hit within 1" of each other @ 100. These are handloads, I couldn't say about factory ammo.
I agree with Toolman! As a reloader I have seen different results with different weights etc, but nothing dramatic. I'm talking 1" low, 1" to the left etc. About factory ammo all I can say is for my 270WSM when I first bought it I got a box of Federal 130's to see how it shot factory ammo. Although my handloads are more accurate (tighter groups etc) the factory ammo was slightly lower and to the left but nothing dramatic. So I guess what the TV guy was trying to say in a pinch different ammo on a deer sized animal is not going to make a huge difference. ie 2" low and 2" to the left will still do what its supposed to if you aim true. Don't forget that is a fair sized target at 100 yards.
Ok im not sure were this should go. if it needs moved im sorry.
i was just watching one of those O so famous hunting show's on TV and im auh struck at what they said..
and yes i know your not supposed to belive everything you see and hear on TV but i hate people that say things that are incorrect
It is true you will hear a lot of old wive's tales on most hunting shows! That is because most of the guys on those shows are just run of the mill guys who were tought everything they know by their grandfathers who could shoot well, and hunt better, but had little idea even how a rifle works. That is the same as sitting around a camp fire in many rural areas where the terminalogy you here is a real story teller. These are people who use things like:
"BULLETS" (actually he means cartridges),
"HEADS" (what he really means is BULLETS)
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dont remember his name but the guy was saying that if you sight your rifle in @ 100yds, with say a 150 grain bullet 1 1/2 in high, and you would have to switch to a heavier bullet or accidently buy the wrong ones that you should be ok and still close to zero @ 100.
i might be wrong but i was told and taught that every bullet weight flies differnt and the same thing with different mfg, and style.
IE a winchester 130 wont hit the same place as a fed or rem. 130.
AM I correct or was i alway miss lead.??????????
I think, however, in this case the person was very close to correct! It is true that every load you use, even with the same weight bullet, there will usually be differences in the POI on the target. But your example of 130 gr bullet from Winchester, Federal, and Remington factory ammo though could be different on the target, but usually not enough to make much difference on a deer at 100 yds. Even the cartridges in a box of factory ammo no matter who loaded it or whether the rifle was zeroed at 100 yds, or 150 yds or 300 yds. IMO, the bullest hits would be closer than most hunters can hold under hunting conditions.
Now, say the 130 gr bullet were changed for a 180 gr bullet, than at 100 to 150 yds there wouldn't be that much difference, but at anything down range of 150 yds, there woud be significent difference in the hold over needed to hit that same POI would be considerably more.
However I think what the show may have been refering to is that in most of those hunting shows they are discussing shooting from a box stand ove a food plot, or a feeder that is a known distance from the blind, where it wouldn't be a problem for a guy who knows his rifle, But if that stand is on a bean field where the shooter will be shooting from below his feet to very long range, then it could be a real problem.
Most of the guys I've seen on the deer hunting shows would be lucky to hit a 10 gallon gas drum at 300 yds with very good ammo, so you can take their down range advice with the grain of salt. After all, those shows are nothing more than intertainment, you know kind of like CSI onTV they look like scientests but are nothing more than actors prentending to be scientests, and their talk sounds good to those who know no more than they do. There are some of these guys who are very knowledgable, but most of them are not hunting whitetail deer in Georgia, or Mississippi over a feeder or from a box stand, and shooting a Wal Mart special!
If it's the same brand ammo maybe. All bets are off if you switch brands. My 700 06 shoots real close with 150 and 180 gr core-lokts, but I tried some Fed 165s and it was 7 inches right, and 3 inches low. The stuff grouped ok, but not as good as the core-lokts.
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I agree.It only makes a big difference if the bullet design is different and the bullet is long for the twist you have which is probably what happened with G Green and his Rem vs Fed.You probably won't get the pinpoint accuracy,but it will be good enough to finish a hunt. ,,,sam.
Depends on the loading. My 110 grain and 125 grain Spitzer loads for my .30-30 bolt-action shoot to the same POI at 100 yards. The 110 grain FMJ and roundnose SP shoot very differently.
I use three different powders and I have worked out the loads so any weight bullet I shoot will hit in the same spot. That's the beauty of hand loading.
If it's the same brand ammo maybe. All bets are off if you switch brands. My 700 06 shoots real close with 150 and 180 gr core-lokts, but I tried some Fed 165s and it was 7 inches right, and 3 inches low. The stuff grouped ok, but not as good as the core-lokts.
That happens simply because some rifles simply don't shoot certain brands of ammo. You may take two other rifles and shoot both brands in them and get the same results with both brands of ammo.
I have a Mod 700 Rem 7mm Rem Mag that will absolutely not shoot any factory ammo from Remington, but will make one hole five shot groups with Winchester factory ammo.
I normally do not use factory ammo in any of my rifles except in an emergency. I hand load everything I shoot, but when I get a new rifle I buy two or three brands in the bullet weight I normally use in that caliber. so I can find which factory shoots best in that rifle. I have had my ammo lost when flying to Alaska, and had to buy ammo in Anchorage, so I knew what to buy, and what to expect of it.
Handloaders never run into the problem mentioned in the TV show, because when changeing bullet, brass, or powder you always start low and work up the load for those componants till you get the right combination. I think those TV shows are more than likely talking about factory ammo, because a handloader would know before the hunt what his loads are doing in his rifle.
Handloaded ammo if done properly is far better ammo that any factory ammo. factory ammo is loaded on gang presses, and the loaded ammo all goes on a conveyer belt so that in a box of thenty every round in that box may have been loaded by a different press, and the powder measured by
a different metering measure. When I hand load I buy 100 pieces of new brass, and the first order of business id the weight the brass on a powder scale, to match the brass by wieght. they will usually weigh out to three different weights. light, medium, and heavy. Why do I bother with this, you ask? Because since the outside of the brass are all the same measurements, if one wighs more than the other that means the inside case capasity is less that a lighter piece of brass, which with the same bullet, and powder load will develope more chamber pressure, hense a different POI on the target. Bullets are very close to their advertized weigt. so they are not weighed. If you have doubts about what I am saying take a box of factory ammo, and get out you powder scale and weigh every round, and write down each rounds weight on a piece of paper as you weigh them. When you get them all weighed then look at the differences in the weights of the whole box of ammo. The differences are caused, by differences in the weight of the brass, and/or the differeces in the weights of the powder charges dumped in the cases from volume powder measureing done at the factory. You can take every round for a single box of my handloads, and they will weight within 2 or 3 grains weight + or - .
Even with very careful hand loading, the loads that shoot perfectly in one rifle may be junk in another rifle!
Ok thanks very much to all for the info.
I guess to a point I was kinda mis lead on that part of shooting, like I noted I was always told that if you shoot a differnt brand,bullet style or weight that you had to resight in no matter what beacues you would be off POI by more than a 1 1/2 ", But my dad was one of those hunters that spent alot of time at the range and for a lack of better terms when he pulled the trigger he knew were that round was going to hit each and every time. and in 99.9% of any weather that he hunted and that was how I was tought.
But like all of you had said and the guy on tv that in a PINCH if your just changing weight all SHOULD be ok.
An I am pretty sure that they were talking about factory loads.
Once again thanks very much.
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Of the three in the bull...2 on left are 130gr corelockts and the one on the right is a 150gr Winchester. I was siting my rifle in with a new scope..which is why the top 2 holes are so high.
I did move my scope 2 clicks left before firing the last 2 shots...so that would mean the 130 and 150 would be almost in the same hole if I had left the scope the same.
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Ok thanks very much to all for the info.
I guess to a point I was kinda mis lead on that part of shooting, like I noted I was always told that if you shoot a differnt brand,bullet style or weight that you had to resight in no matter what beacues you would be off POI by more than a 1 1/2 ", But my dad was one of those hunters that spent alot of time at the range and for a lack of better terms when he pulled the trigger he knew were that round was going to hit each and every time. and in 99.9% of any weather that he hunted and that was how I was tought.
But like all of you had said and the guy on tv that in a PINCH if your just changing weight all SHOULD be ok.
An I am pretty sure that they were talking about factory loads.
Once again thanks very much.
This is true with bullets of the same design and similar ballistic co-efficient.It is wrong if you have a high and low bc#.Using the same weight or even using different weights like 150gr/180gr and a bc between .225bc-2900mv for the lighter and about .260bc-2600mv for the heavier there would be only about 1.5" difference at 200yds when sighted in at 100yds.But if you go to a softpoint boattail bullet having a BC of say .450 then the velocity at say 200yds is going to be much higher and drop much less.To get a similar poi,you must be using a similar design and BC#.Using a low BC against a high BC will make a radical change in POI,no matter what weight bullet you use.Attention must be paid to design/BC# moreso than weight. ,,,sam.
