... I agree. A well paid and heavily armed response force on board in these hostile waters ... with the various 'tools of the trade' to ensure levels of security at given distances needs to become a reality for any owner to ensure actually keeping their boat and not having to pay obscene amounts of money to get it ... the cargo and the crew back.
... in an unrealistic fantasy, If I were a ship owner, there would be 4 miniguns to give the ship 360 degree coverage ... and when utilized ... leave the bullet riddled boat & bodies for the sharks and the other pirates to find. Let's see how brave the pirates would be when they try to take another boat ...
Larry O
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Watched Fox this morning,they said the armed crew used firearms and high decibel noise generators,good show!
Bet the pirates will wear earplugs next time.
Armed crews seems to be the answer,along with not haveing the ladders in the water so they can climb up them.
They were 350 miles off shore,long way for pirates,but the seas are calmed down this time of year,so.....
... I agree. A well paid and heavily armed response force on board in these hostile waters ... With the various 'tools of the trade' to ensure levels of security at given distances needs to become a reality for any owner to ensure actually keeping their boat and not having to pay obscene amounts of money to get it ... The cargo and the crew back.
... In an unrealistic fantasy, if i were a ship owner, there would be 4 miniguns to give the ship 360 degree coverage ... And when utilized ... Leave the bullet riddled boat & bodies for the sharks and the other pirates to find. Let's see how brave the pirates would be when they try to take another boat ...
Larry o
+1... A good buddy of mine, now passed, was a crewman on a PBR, his "office" was the front tub of twin .50's...About about a pair on the bow and stern for those pirates to eat from????
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There REALLY are bad people who will not be persuaded to cease illegal activities until they are overpowered with brute force.
Any idiot that thinks holding hands and blaming the perp's mother, while singing Kumbeya, is going to make them stop behaving badly, is living in a fairy tale world.
This applies to street thugs, prison inmates, pirates, warlords, dictators, and US politicians. Criminals are predators that will NOT back off until they get hammered.
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There REALLY are bad people who will not be persuaded to cease illegal activities until they are overpowered with brute force.
Any idiot that thinks holding hands and blaming the perp's mother, while singing Kumbeya, is going to make them stop behaving badly, is living in a fairy tale world.
This applies to street thugs, prison inmates, pirates, warlords, dictators, and US politicians. Criminals are predators that will NOT back off until they get hammered.
... I'm a complete supporter of SPECOPS tearing them a new one.
... wouldn't it be pretty to see an AC130 Spectre Gunship make a few passes over their base of operations ?
Larry O
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Apparently people are missing an important point. The Maersk Alabama had private military contractors on board. The crews are still not armed, and neither are the ships. All they have is whatever the contractors brought with them. This time it was adequate, Next time, it might not be.
More to the point, when are we going to start dealing with pirates as they ought to be dealt with, by sinking their ships and killing the pirates to discourage others from emulating them?
Apparently people are missing an important point. The Maersk Alabama had private military contractors on board. The crews are still not armed, and neither are the ships. All they have is whatever the contractors brought with them. This time it was adequate, Next time, it might not be.
More to the point, when are we going to start dealing with pirates as they ought to be dealt with, by sinking their ships and killing the pirates to discourage others from emulating them?
... like I said, leave their bodies in the water for the sharks and for psychological effect ... this game needs to be brought to a sudden end. Time to roll in the gunships and the SPECOPS.
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... I'm a complete supporter of SPECOPS tearing them a new one.
... wouldn't it be pretty to see an AC130 Spectre Gunship make a few passes over their base of operations ?
Larry O
The fact that it has not already been done makes me wonder what's in it for our government or some group of politicians/banksters that will benefit from the continued conflict.
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The fact that it has not already been done makes me wonder what's in it for our government or some group of politicians that will benefit.
... as with everything in this administration, it's all about politics and personal gain for someone therein ... not helping or benefiting the people. Yet another issue Obama can't make a decision on.
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The fact that it has not already been done makes me wonder what's in it for our government or some group of politicians/banksters that will benefit from the continued conflict.
I hate to think this but I figure it's a racial thing. Obviously, the pirates all are black since we're talking about Africa. I figure the US gov. has put pressure on the shipping companies to not use force.
The media would have a hay day with showing black pirates being killed by mostly white ship crews.
From the article: "However, Roger Middleton, a piracy expert at the London-based think tank Chatham House, said the international maritime community was still "solidly against" armed guards aboard vessels at sea, but that American ships have taken a different line than the rest of the international community."
"Shipping companies are still pretty much overwhelmingly opposed to the idea of armed guards," Middleton said. "Lots of private security companies
employee people who don't have maritime experience. Also, there's the idea that it's the responsibility of states and navies to provide security. I would think it's a step backward if we start privatizing security of the shipping trade."
Thank God these idiots don't control us!! I think the way the international community does it is a step backwards!!
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From the article: "However, Roger Middleton, a piracy expert at the London-based think tank Chatham House, said the international maritime community was still "solidly against" armed guards aboard vessels at sea, but that American ships have taken a different line than the rest of the international community."
"Shipping companies are still pretty much overwhelmingly opposed to the idea of armed guards," Middleton said. "Lots of private security companies
employee people who don't have maritime experience. Also, there's the idea that it's the responsibility of states and navies to provide security. I would think it's a step backward if we start privatizing security of the shipping trade."
Thank God these idiots don't control us!! I think the way the international community does it is a step backwards!!
... one has to believe that eventually, they'll get tired of paying ransom demands to get their ships, crews and property back.
... but I doubt anytime soon until a lawmakers' stocks or family is affected.
Larry O
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Gee, there's an opportunity to create some "new" jobs. Hired as an armed anti-pirate deck hand. lol
Ron, first of all, that would make far too much sense. Secondly, remember ... those jobs went to imaginary people in imaginary state districts ... the money is already deposited into supporters' bank accounts ... er, I mean spent.
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... as with everything in this administration, it's all about politics and personal gain for someone therein ... not helping or benefiting the people. Yet another issue Obama can't make a decision on.
I recall, Obama did take action last time. This time, it was over almost as soon as it began. If you do business in 3rd world countries, you take certain risks for profit. That's part of free enterprise. Otherwise, stay out of those areas and let others make the money.
I recall, Obama did take action last time. This time, it was over almost as soon as it began. If you do business in 3rd world countries, you take certain risks for profit. That's part of free enterprise. Otherwise, stay out of those areas and let others make the money.
... out of curiosity ... how many decisions are we still waiting on from Obama?
... I know that the men and women in Afghanistan are still waiting on the help they so desperately need to go on the offensive so they are not shelled by the Taliban and Al Qaeda on a daily basis. If you think that is a fabrication, you are completely wrong. Why is it that Obama can't support the troops? Everything to him is a campaign photo op, no more, no less.
... secondly, so what you're really saying is that you have no problems with pirates because hey ... they need to make a living by stealing too ?
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The problem is that we are still ignoring the fact that these pirates are using terrorist techniques. They should be dealt with as such. However, it will be seen as a racial issue and there is no way that Obama would commit to anything involving the use of force against Africa. I think that we should cut off, outright, any form of support to any country that allows these pirates to operate in or around their boarders. Food, money, goods, nothing should leave our shores in support of these countries. Yes, innocent people will suffer, but it is about time that they do something for themselves. Once the citizens of those countries put a stop to pirates in their countries and territorial waters, only then should we resume any type of aid. Although I still do not believe that we should be sending a penny in aid outside of our borders. How many countries have we sent aid to during natural disasters, civil wars, genocides, and other catastrophes? Who stepped up and gave us a single cent for Katrina? Anyone from another government shed even one drop of sweat helping rebuild after the earthquakes in San Fransisco? Not a one. Why do we continue to spend ourselves into a black hole of national debt on things that do not benefit American citizens? Seems to me isolationism worked just fine for us before WWI...
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