[LarryO1970]

... who here recalls the President stressing that people should volunteer to help in their communities?

... okay, with that in mind, what the hell can volunteers do when these Unions complain at the drop of a hat if someone ... God forbid a non-union member ... does what they have not done? So I ask, was there a work order already processed for this trail to be cleaned up? Were these laid-off union members brought back off their unemployment and ready to do the work ... or are they just complaining because it was something they could have done, but someone beat them to the punch through volunteering their time and effort?

... Unions were put in place for workplace safety concerns. OSHA was established ... therefore ... they are obsolete. SEIU and a few other unions are breaking this country ... whether you can admit it or not. Does a company go out of business because union demands of their workers are not met?

... maybe Obama should have said ... 'Don't volunteer to do anything because you'll be stepping on the feet of union members.'

... hey, don't pick up that paper cup or food wrapper that fell out of your recycle container, that's a union labor job !

... petrol, if FOX News is so bad, why do you even bother to watch it? Just curious ...

Larry O

[ackspac]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... who here recalls the President stressing that people should volunteer to help in their communities? ... okay, with that in mind, what the hell can volunteers do when these Unions complain at the drop of a hat if someone ... God forbid a non-union member ... does what they have not done? So I ask, was there a work order already processed for this trail to be cleaned up? Were these laid-off union members brought back off their unemployment and ready to do the work ... or are they just complaining because it was something they could have done, but someone beat them to the punch through volunteering their time and effort? ... Unions were put in place for workplace safety concerns. OSHA was established ... therefore ... they are obsolete. SEIU and a few other unions are breaking this country ... whether you can admit it or not. Does a company go out of business because union demands of their workers are not met? ... maybe Obama should have said ... 'Don't volunteer to do anything because you'll be stepping on the feet of union members.' ... hey, don't pick up that paper cup or food wrapper that fell out of your recycle container, that's a union labor job ! ... petrol, if FOX News is so bad, why do you even bother to watch it? Just curious ... Larry O

When I worked for Coca-Cola (non-union plant) we had numerous safety concerns that were overlooked by mgt. I broke my foot on a known safety related issue and was given a choice of filing workmans comp and getting a disipline letter on file or claiming I broke it at home and let my insurance pay. Well later on a few years later a few of us had enough and called OSHA. They came out and wrote up a few of the issues and fined Coke $5,000. It was cheaper for Coke to keep paying the fines to OSHA then it was to fix the issues. Later through the year word got around to mgt. about who it was that called OSHA. 4 of the 8 people were fired for NO REASON. If we had a union, that shit would of never happend! Yea, some unions are to political but for the most part they do keep safety in the workplace. Its not the union worker that is trying to keep his family fed fault that some of their leaders get involved in the political spectrum. I refuse to pay any CAP funds out of my check for that crap. There were more McCain bumper stickers on vehicles in our UAW lot then there were Obamalamas'.

[LarryO1970]

... when I was an electrician, I had a much harder time staying employed at a union shop than at a non-union shop. Granted the pay was not the same, but I certainly was not struggling.

... unions had their place in our history as a nation, especially for workplace safety standards ... but they've been long obsolete due to the creation of OSHA and are only a tool of the politicians.

... ever wonder what would have happened at Coke if the fines the politicians set for their OSHA program were higher and less easy for companies to absorb ?

Larry O

[Rambo]

Look what happens when American corporations move their plants south of the border to avoid paying union scale wages here in America. Nothing! The product costs the same or more, never less. Corporations are just like your Govt. When has your property tax ever gone down when your city fires union workers or replaces full time LEO's with reserve officers who don't get paid? Never! CEOs and politicians are the same. Never take a cut in pay but want everyone esle to.
Don't blame the Union. Unions raised the standard of living in this country in spite of corporate greed that still hires illegals so they don't have to pay a decent wage or even pay their share of taxes that the union members have to pay.

[blueice]

Quote:       Originally Posted by petrol

The best way to avoid unions is pay a fair wage and decent benefits.

That is why most government workers joined the union....

[ackspac]

Quote:       Originally Posted by blueice

That is why most government workers joined the union....

Umm, they dont have a choice.

[ackspac]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rambo

Look what happens when American corporations move their plants south of the border to avoid paying union scale wages here in America. Nothing! The product costs the same or more, never less. Corporations are just like your Govt. When has your property tax ever gone down when your city fires union workers or replaces full time LEO's with reserve officers who don't get paid? Never! CEOs and politicians are the same. Never take a cut in pay but want everyone esle to. Don't blame the Union. Unions raised the standard of living in this country in spite of corporate greed that still hires illegals so they don't have to pay a decent wage or even pay their share of taxes that the union members have to pay.

Example: ChannelLock (union company) shut down here and moved to China. The price is the same for their products and the quality sucks!

[LarryO1970]

... does anyone dare say that the SEIU is not causing problems in this economy?

[Rambo]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... does anyone dare say that the SEIU is not causing problems in this economy?

In the greater scheme of things......nah! There might be some instances of improprieties, though I can't name one, but overall, the unions in general have lost the clout they once had, beings their membership is about 17% of what it was in the 50's, so I would say unions are not affecting the economic situation at all. In fact, I would venture to say the NRA has more clout in Congress than unions do as their membership is probably higher these days.

[ackspac]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... does anyone dare say that the SEIU is not causing problems in this economy?

Its the whole leadership role of the SEIU that has done this. Good read:Michelle Malkin » SEIU and the “persuasion of power;” Update: St. Louis thuggery on tape But you cant blamethe men and women who work for these unions. They are only trying to make a living and I would say most of them would want their leaders to shut the hell up.

[LarryO1970]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rambo

This union rep spoke of filing a grievance over the use of volunteers to do the work of paid employees when the paid employees are being laid off due to no work. The volunteers in this case were Boy Scouts. However, the filing of a grievance is the unions way of advising their employer that using volunteers while laying off workers is not allowed by their negotiated contract. It may appear to be bad publicity, but I gaurantee everyone here would pitch a major bitch if they were laid off from their job because their employer could get the same job done for free. Hell, I know roofers who are unemployed because their employers hired illegals for less than minimum wage. Don't think for a minute those illegals would be working if those roofing companies could get Boy Scouts to roof for free. It's all about protecting jobs. The fact that many here don't like unions when they use their strength to protect jobs is sad. Unions have done more good for workers in this country including keeping the wages for non-union workers higher also. Do they have some bad history? Maybe. But the employers in this country have alot worse track record in their abuse of employees.

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rambo

In the greater scheme of things......nah! There might be some instances of improprieties, though I can't name one, but overall, the unions in general have lost the clout they once had, beings their membership is about 17% of what it was in the 50's, so I would say unions are not affecting the economic situation at all. In fact, I would venture to say the NRA has more clout in Congress than unions do as their membership is probably higher these days.

I'd say they have some clout since they are being welcomed to the White House often and also will be part of the December 'Jobs Summit' whereas I really doubt there will be any non-union companies invited. I'm certain that the SEIU will lobby for them to not be allowed in.

[Rambo]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

I'd say they have some clout since they are being welcomed to the White House often and also will be part of the December 'Jobs Summit' whereas I really doubt there will be any non-union companies invited. I'm certain that the SEIU will lobby for them to not be allowed in.

After not being invited the last 8 years, I'd say it was time.

[LarryO1970]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rambo

After not being invited the last 8 years, I'd say it was time.

... and just how were the unions hurt in the last 8 years ?

... Rambo, just what percentage was unemployment under Bush? Were 'Job Summits' needed under bush with a sub 5% unemployment for 8 years?

... what is the unemployment rate under Obama? Let's see ... 10.2% minimum and this healthcare bill as well as the cap & trade, etc. will do nothing more than skyrocket that number.

Larry O

[Rambo]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... and just how were the unions hurt in the last 8 years ? ... Rambo, just what percentage was unemployment under Bush? Were 'Job Summits' needed under bush with a sub 5% unemployment for 8 years? ... what is the unemployment rate under Obama? Let's see ... 10.2% minimum and this healthcare bill as well as the cap & trade, etc. will do nothing more than skyrocket that number. Larry O

You can't honestly believe that people just became unemployed under this administration, can you? The snowball started rolling during the previous administration and it won't be turned around in just 10 months. I can't believe you expect Obama to fix the last 8 years of starting wars, illegal immigration, bailouts, health care, education, unemployment in just his first year in office.

[blueice]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... does anyone dare say that the SEIU is not causing problems in this economy?

Good observation LO....These people are so bad, even they give unions bad name...

...give me a S
...give me an E
...give me an I
...give me an U

SEEU in hell........

[blueice]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rambo

You can't honestly believe that people just became unemployed under this administration, can you? The snowball started rolling during the previous administration and it won't be turned around in just 10 months. You are 100% correct, Ram.... I can't believe you expect Obama to fix the last 8 years of starting wars, illegal immigration, bailouts, health care, education, unemployment in just his first year in office.

He is incapable of fixing very little....The voters will give him less than another year to make progress....

[ArkansasHunter]

Cooper Rubber had a huge plant here. The workers were union, they made consession and took cuts in pay and benifits.
And Cooper agreed to keep the plant here But less than a year later they moved to guess where ?

My family consist of Union electrishions. The companys they work for want them because there well trained and though they make a decent liveing the companys win more bids than the non-union companys.

Like I said in another post, there's good union's and bad. And for the record your goverment is the reason companys and jobs have left this country.
No one else is to blame.

[blueice]

This is second hand information. There was a major tire company in Eau Clarie, Wisconsin which ax the union workers to vote on working rotating shifts, including weekend...

The vote was no....A year later, the largest employer in this city closed...

[Shooter Girl]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rambo

You can't honestly believe that people just became unemployed under this administration, can you? The snowball started rolling during the previous administration and it won't be turned around in just 10 months. I can't believe you expect Obama to fix the last 8 years of starting wars, illegal immigration, bailouts, health care, education, unemployment in just his first year in office.

Actually. It started during the Clinton admin (well before that actually. Though for intents and purposes). Clinton rode the techboom like a race horse. Because things were good not too many people spoke out about him re-regulating the economy. Because of all the regulation that happened during the Clinton admin, companies (read industry) were forced to go overseas to stay competitive. Then the techboom ended, and because much of our industry had migrated overseas, we didn't have anything to fall back on. Then the sub-prime deal hit, and the feces hit the rotating air circulation devise. Then we elected a guy that wasn't even qualified to run a lemonade stand and expected him to fix things.

[White Rook]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rambo

You can't honestly believe that people just became unemployed under this administration, can you? The snowball started rolling during the previous administration and it won't be turned around in just 10 months. I can't believe you expect Obama to fix the last 8 years of starting wars, illegal immigration, bailouts, health care, education, unemployment in just his first year in office.

I agree Bush II did some things I don't agree with but to blame him for the 13 million (give or take a few million) illegal immigrants is crazy. They have been coming here for many many years before Bush was ever President....