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SUBMOA · 11-19-2009, 06:52 PM

Back to the agenda at hand- disarmament as we the gov see fit. sighned your beloved attorny gen. Attorney General Holder Reveals Aggressive Gun Control In Response to Ft.

LarryO1970 · 11-19-2009, 07:16 PM

... Holder is a moron.

FortyXDM · 11-19-2009, 07:27 PM

It will be most interesting to see if ANYONE comes in to defend Holder on this.

Anyone ?

LarryO1970 · 11-19-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FortyXDM

It will be most interesting to see if ANYONE comes in to defend Holder on this.

Anyone ?

... and hopefully, the Congressional and Senate members see this for what it is ... an attack on the 2nd Amendment. This reeks of Emanuel, honestly ... “you never want a serious crisis to go to waste.”

Larry O

Windwalker · 11-19-2009, 07:45 PM

Defend Holder my Aunt Fanny! He should be lined up with most of the present administration, charged with Treason for violating his oath to uphold and defend our Constitution as the governing document of the United States. awaiting trial, and many of our elected officials and congressmen should be in that same line.

LarryO1970 · 11-19-2009, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windwalker

Defend Holder my Aunt Fanny! He should be lined up with most of the present administration, charged with Treason for violating his oath to uphold and defend our Constitution as the governing document of the United States. awaiting trial, and many of our elected officials and congressmen should be in that same line.

... I agree. The minute they threaten any part of the United States Constitution, they should be removed from breaking their oath of office ... regardless of party affiliation, title or position.

Larry O

ArkansasHunter · 11-19-2009, 07:50 PM

They wanna play with fire there gonna get burned !

FortyXDM · 11-19-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... I agree. The minute they threaten any part of the United States Constitution, they should be removed from breaking their oath of office ... regardless of party affiliation, title or position.

Larry O

I think there is a word for that Larry, Yep, I know there is. Its called:
TREASON.

rwt101 · 11-19-2009, 10:00 PM

It is a shame that a large part of the American public does not realize what is happening to country. People are being put in key position that Obama can manipulate the way he wants. And yes treason is the correct word.

Bob T

toolman · 11-19-2009, 10:24 PM

Hey, Holder is just looking out for our, and our military's best interest! He loves us gun-owne...Ahhh HELL, I can't do it, he's a punk who needs to be in Gitmo along with all the other American-hating punks.

LarryO1970 · 11-19-2009, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolman

Hey, Holder is just looking out for our, and our military's best interest! He loves us gun-owne...Ahhh HELL, I can't do it, he's a punk who needs to be in Gitmo along with all the other American-hating punks.

... I'm sure there will not be a shortage of those who will make extensive excuses for Holder and the Obama Bunch pulling his strings.

rwt101 · 11-19-2009, 10:34 PM

This will probably set off another round of hording.
Bob T

LarryO1970 · 11-19-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rwt101

This will probably set off another round of hording.
Bob T

... for them to press forward with this would be political suicide though. I can see an attempt if they believe he'll get elected for another term ... so not yet.

PAPA G · 11-19-2009, 11:57 PM

S.O.S

Mooseman684 · 11-20-2009, 12:14 AM

They Can't Even see it Clearly when it is staring them in their Faces...
The ONLY way to stop a Bad Guy with a Gun is a GOOD Guy with a Gun !

Holder's first name should Be Azz...

grizcty · 11-20-2009, 12:55 AM

This clown, and this administration.
REFUSE to even call it a TERRORIST ATTACK!
Simple fact.
The Ft Hood Solders, were SLAUGHTERED.
By a Jahadist, in a US Military uniform.

Why?
Simply because a COMPLETE lack of FAILURE.
Do to political correctness.
They KNEW this little wimp, was a talking time bomb.
And yet, were AFRAID to deal with the issue.

By God, just think how quickly this could of been STOPPED.
IF, there were a few C/C present!

thrillbilly · 11-20-2009, 01:30 AM

I would say that the key point here would be the circumstances and reasons that people would be placed on this "Terrorist Watch List". It sounds like a thinly veiled attack of law-abiding citizen's RTKBA myself.
This is about the same specie of Rat Politics as the Patriot Act allowing taps and bugging of the citizenry on the shady pretext that they are "terrorists".

Politicians use any and all tragedies to further their political goals...goals which they wish to attain ONLY to further their own power and enrich their bank accounts. Politicians have no true allegiance or ideals other then those which ensure they get the votes at election time. I would feel more respect for Brady and Gore and their ilk if I thought they actually believed in what they said...but I know it's just a platform for them, not a reflection of their true beliefs.

Rambo · 11-20-2009, 06:36 AM

It's like the "War on Terror", "Enemy Combatants", etc. Thinly veiled but anyone can fall under those catagories easily, just by making a comment on visiting a website. Then our Govt can kick in your door, disrupt your life, spirit you away to another country for interogation, or it seems now, take away your rights to posses firearms.
I suppose, on this side it looks repressive. However, if you take the approach of our Govt's "War on Terror" tactics, it makes logical sense. If you want a so called war on terror, you have to put up with so called investigative techniques such as watch lists, warrantless wiretaps, illegal search and siezures, no writ of habeas corpus, no speedy trials, no confronting your accuser(s) and now this, another in a long line of illegal, anti-constitutional acts. This is the slippery slope of "War on Terror" tactics. Sooner or later, they will come for the rights you hold important and it looks like they're coming.
What we need is a Patriot Act to reaffirm the rights afforded in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to all Americans, not take them away.

LiveToShoot · 11-20-2009, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMOA

Back to the agenda at hand- disarmament as we the gov see fit. sighned your beloved attorny gen. Attorney General Holder Reveals Aggressive Gun Control In Response to Ft.

Holder, and many others, do not recognize that our right to protect ourself and our family, to include our property, is an unalienable right, a Principle of Liberty he and other continue to attack...

...and, the definition of an unalienable right is pretty clear to me:

natural rights (also called moral rights or unalienable rights) are rights which are not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of a particular society or polity.
Natural and legal rights: Definition from Answers.com

Our founding fathers were very clear on the definition of unalienable rights, as clearly noted in their private and public writings, and in the founding documents they put forth for our country and its citizenry...

...founding documents which contain unquestionable truths about and help safeguard our God-given rights.

11-19-2009, 06:52 PM	#1
SUBMOA Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: mountain home , ar Posts: 129	new ploys by holder Back to the agenda at hand- disarmament as we the gov see fit. sighned your beloved attorny gen. Attorney General Holder Reveals Aggressive Gun Control In Response to Ft.

11-19-2009, 07:16 PM	#2
LarryO1970 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Johnson Creek, WI Posts: 5,979 Blog Entries: 2	... Holder is a moron. __________________ You don't scare me! Work on it!

11-19-2009, 07:45 PM	#5
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 6,266	Defend Holder my Aunt Fanny! He should be lined up with most of the present administration, charged with Treason for violating his oath to uphold and defend our Constitution as the governing document of the United States. awaiting trial, and many of our elected officials and congressmen should be in that same line. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it In God I Trust

11-19-2009, 07:50 PM	#7
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas. Posts: 18,469	They wanna play with fire there gonna get burned ! __________________ IN GOD WE TRUST NRA MEMBER

11-19-2009, 10:00 PM	#9
rwt101 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pigeon Forge, TN Posts: 700	It is a shame that a large part of the American public does not realize what is happening to country. People are being put in key position that Obama can manipulate the way he wants. And yes treason is the correct word. Bob T __________________ I'M IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD AND EVERYONE IN HERE LIKES ME

11-19-2009, 07:27 PM	#3
FortyXDM Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Gladstone, Mo. (kc area) Posts: 4,239	It will be most interesting to see if ANYONE comes in to defend Holder on this. Anyone ?

11-19-2009, 10:24 PM	#10
toolman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 7,374 Blog Entries: 25	Hey, Holder is just looking out for our, and our military's best interest! He loves us gun-owne...Ahhh HELL, I can't do it, he's a punk who needs to be in Gitmo along with all the other American-hating punks. __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac!

11-19-2009, 10:34 PM	#12
rwt101 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pigeon Forge, TN Posts: 700	This will probably set off another round of hording. Bob T __________________ I'M IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD AND EVERYONE IN HERE LIKES ME

11-19-2009, 11:57 PM	#14
PAPA G Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Somerset, Guntucky Posts: 9,608	S.O.S __________________ MOE! LARRY! THE CHEESE!

11-20-2009, 12:14 AM	#15
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 12,789	They Can't Even see it Clearly when it is staring them in their Faces... The ONLY way to stop a Bad Guy with a Gun is a GOOD Guy with a Gun ! Holder's first name should Be Azz... __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

11-20-2009, 12:55 AM	#16
grizcty Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lost in Alaska Posts: 1,132	This clown, and this administration. REFUSE to even call it a TERRORIST ATTACK! Simple fact. The Ft Hood Solders, were SLAUGHTERED. By a Jahadist, in a US Military uniform. Why? Simply because a COMPLETE lack of FAILURE. Do to political correctness. They KNEW this little wimp, was a talking time bomb. And yet, were AFRAID to deal with the issue. By God, just think how quickly this could of been STOPPED. IF, there were a few C/C present! __________________ "If we ever forget we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Ronald Reagan A Man WITH a gun is a CITIZEN, a Man WITHOUT a gun is a SUBJECT

11-20-2009, 01:30 AM	#17
thrillbilly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ozark Hill Country Posts: 3,210	I would say that the key point here would be the circumstances and reasons that people would be placed on this "Terrorist Watch List". It sounds like a thinly veiled attack of law-abiding citizen's RTKBA myself. This is about the same specie of Rat Politics as the Patriot Act allowing taps and bugging of the citizenry on the shady pretext that they are "terrorists". Politicians use any and all tragedies to further their political goals...goals which they wish to attain ONLY to further their own power and enrich their bank accounts. Politicians have no true allegiance or ideals other then those which ensure they get the votes at election time. I would feel more respect for Brady and Gore and their ilk if I thought they actually believed in what they said...but I know it's just a platform for them, not a reflection of their true beliefs. __________________ *" I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on."* John Wayne

11-20-2009, 06:36 AM	#18
Rambo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,845	It's like the "War on Terror", "Enemy Combatants", etc. Thinly veiled but anyone can fall under those catagories easily, just by making a comment on visiting a website. Then our Govt can kick in your door, disrupt your life, spirit you away to another country for interogation, or it seems now, take away your rights to posses firearms. I suppose, on this side it looks repressive. However, if you take the approach of our Govt's "War on Terror" tactics, it makes logical sense. If you want a so called war on terror, you have to put up with so called investigative techniques such as watch lists, warrantless wiretaps, illegal search and siezures, no writ of habeas corpus, no speedy trials, no confronting your accuser(s) and now this, another in a long line of illegal, anti-constitutional acts. This is the slippery slope of "War on Terror" tactics. Sooner or later, they will come for the rights you hold important and it looks like they're coming. What we need is a Patriot Act to reaffirm the rights afforded in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to all Americans, not take them away. __________________ I live to hunt and hunt to live.