here we go again

PAPA G · 11-21-2009, 12:07 AM

Militia movement resurfaces across U.S. - Life- msnbc.com

did not take all the usual suspects to dig up more anti-you?me crap

petrol · 11-21-2009, 12:24 AM

so, here I am. A possible 'liberal' (in the sense that I believe in individual liberties). and yet I find myself supporting the militia movement (not the federal building bomb making loons). Yes, I acknowledge all government is fascist, yet I'm not afraid of them.
I used to wonder what the founding fathers and framers of the constitution would make of modern assault weapon. I found it hard to justify civilians owning military weapons to the people I know who don't own guns.
I've just been reading the constitution, from what I understand the 2nd amendment is there to allow us (the people) to defend our selves from the government. this means we would be expected to use the same grade of weapon as the government forces. I also understood it that the constitution only covers federal government not state law, (i haven't finished yet, I'm on the 6th amendment).

The militia's / patriots have to convince joe public that they are not extremists/ christian talliban. but people who believe in individual freedom. Even freedoms they don't like.

SwedeSteve · 11-21-2009, 01:13 AM

You are finding the reason(s) that the Framers were concerned about. Skip the scholars and read it as written. Add nothing in, and take nothing away, you will be amazed at how brilliant their foresight was !!

Skip all the rhetoric, jump over the BS, and you can begin to see where I lay !!

samuel · 11-21-2009, 03:16 AM

Don't worry about MSNBC,you couldn't find two people watching it at the same time to save you. ,,,sam.

blueice · 11-21-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by samuel

Don't worry about MSNBC,you couldn't find two people watching it at the same time to save you. ,,,sam.

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and those two are both in the WH....

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Rambo · 11-21-2009, 01:11 PM

I'll bring this issue up at our next gathering.

Gray Wolf · 11-21-2009, 01:19 PM

I think the intent of the folks that wrote our constitution was that the people were to be allowed to have the same kind of rifles that the government troops have.
It seems to work just fine for the Swiss.
What kind of mind set do they have that we don't?

Dodahdude · 11-21-2009, 01:20 PM

Militia... In Alaska,...MSNBC... Can't you see whats going on. Sahra Palin is out doing her thing and the opposition is scared of her. Get it... Militia... Alaska... Palin... threat. Duh.

PAPA G · 11-21-2009, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodahdude

Militia... In Alaska,...MSNBC... Can't you see whats going on. Sahra Palin is out doing her thing and the opposition is scared of her. Get it... Militia... Alaska... Palin... threat. Duh.

so true, MSM has been digging at her since last year.

Rambo · 11-22-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PAPA G

so true, MSM has been digging at her since last year.

The worst criticism of Palin seeems to be coming from McCains people over her revealing book.

privateer · 11-22-2009, 03:51 PM

I have been involved in the militia movement since the early 80's. have held darn near every position or rank ranging from a grunt to the head honcho , in my experience some militias are made up of idiots that had watched one to many war movies and others were well informed educated americans from every walk of life that are interested in personal security and protecting our freedoms. in those groups we looked upon ourselves as americas last line of defense (not really coming into play unless federal and local authorities have failed) When I ran the NSU Militia (National Survival Unit ) we were so low profile that we joked that NSU stood for "no such unit" that was interesting becouse the NSU was represented in all 50 states. My personal belief on the matter is that if you are a armed american citizen and believe in our constitution " YOU ARE THE MILITIA "

John

G. Green · 11-22-2009, 04:28 PM

Petrol, Sounds to me like you're a libertarian as opposed to a liberal. You're living in the wrong state!

srt 10 jimbo · 11-22-2009, 04:44 PM

I was in Indian Guides when I was young, we ate Brownies

big shrek · 11-22-2009, 05:06 PM

Far better to avoid Militia groups...most of 'em are FUBAR anyway.

Best thing to do, just be a typical survivalist...without letting anyone local know that's what you are.

Huntinfamily · 11-22-2009, 05:49 PM

"In the first five months of Obama's presidency, racist, right-wing extremists killed at least nine people," according to Chip Berlet, senior analyst with Political Research Associates, a Somerville, Mass., think tank.

Yeah and how many crackdealing racist thugs that love Obama killed people in that same time frame? Always have to make the Patriots look like the bad guys.

11-21-2009, 12:07 AM	#1
PAPA G Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 9,452	here we go again Militia movement resurfaces across U.S. - Life- msnbc.com did not take all the usual suspects to dig up more anti-you?me crap __________________ MOE! LARRY! THE CHEESE!

11-21-2009, 12:24 AM	#2
petrol Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 826	so, here I am. A possible 'liberal' (in the sense that I believe in individual liberties). and yet I find myself supporting the militia movement (not the federal building bomb making loons). Yes, I acknowledge all government is fascist, yet I'm not afraid of them. I used to wonder what the founding fathers and framers of the constitution would make of modern assault weapon. I found it hard to justify civilians owning military weapons to the people I know who don't own guns. I've just been reading the constitution, from what I understand the 2nd amendment is there to allow us (the people) to defend our selves from the government. this means we would be expected to use the same grade of weapon as the government forces. I also understood it that the constitution only covers federal government not state law, (i haven't finished yet, I'm on the 6th amendment). The militia's / patriots have to convince joe public that they are not extremists/ christian talliban. but people who believe in individual freedom. Even freedoms they don't like. __________________ If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately. Thomas Paine

11-21-2009, 01:13 AM	#3
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 25,529	You are finding the reason(s) that the Framers were concerned about. Skip the scholars and read it as written. Add nothing in, and take nothing away, you will be amazed at how brilliant their foresight was !! Skip all the rhetoric, jump over the BS, and you can begin to see where I lay !! __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

11-21-2009, 01:11 PM	#6
Rambo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,719	I'll bring this issue up at our next gathering. __________________ I live to hunt and hunt to live.

11-22-2009, 03:51 PM	#11
privateer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Anchorage , Alaska Posts: 1,001	I have been involved in the militia movement since the early 80's. have held darn near every position or rank ranging from a grunt to the head honcho , in my experience some militias are made up of idiots that had watched one to many war movies and others were well informed educated americans from every walk of life that are interested in personal security and protecting our freedoms. in those groups we looked upon ourselves as americas last line of defense (not really coming into play unless federal and local authorities have failed) When I ran the NSU Militia (National Survival Unit ) we were so low profile that we joked that NSU stood for "no such unit" that was interesting becouse the NSU was represented in all 50 states. My personal belief on the matter is that if you are a armed american citizen and believe in our constitution " YOU ARE THE MILITIA " John Attached Thumbnails Last edited by privateer; 11-22-2009 at 03:56 PM.

11-21-2009, 03:16 AM	#4
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,723	Don't worry about MSNBC,you couldn't find two people watching it at the same time to save you. ,,,sam.

11-21-2009, 01:19 PM	#7
Gray Wolf Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 265	I think the intent of the folks that wrote our constitution was that the people were to be allowed to have the same kind of rifles that the government troops have. It seems to work just fine for the Swiss. What kind of mind set do they have that we don't?

11-21-2009, 01:20 PM	#8
Dodahdude Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Andover, Kansas Posts: 33	Militia... In Alaska,...MSNBC... Can't you see whats going on. Sahra Palin is out doing her thing and the opposition is scared of her. Get it... Militia... Alaska... Palin... threat. Duh.

11-22-2009, 04:28 PM	#12
G. Green Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NE OK Posts: 1,023	Don't Tread on Me! Petrol, Sounds to me like you're a libertarian as opposed to a liberal. You're living in the wrong state! __________________ "The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance" Einstein

11-22-2009, 04:44 PM	#13
srt 10 jimbo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 477	I was in Indian Guides when I was young, we ate Brownies __________________

11-22-2009, 05:06 PM	#14
big shrek Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northwest, FL Posts: 3,567	Far better to avoid Militia groups...most of 'em are FUBAR anyway. Best thing to do, just be a typical survivalist...without letting anyone local know that's what you are. __________________ Marlin Specialist, Calico Specialist

11-22-2009, 05:49 PM	#15
Huntinfamily Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Callahan Florida Posts: 240	"In the first five months of Obama's presidency, racist, right-wing extremists killed at least nine people," according to Chip Berlet, senior analyst with Political Research Associates, a Somerville, Mass., think tank. Yeah and how many crackdealing racist thugs that love Obama killed people in that same time frame? Always have to make the Patriots look like the bad guys. __________________ "You're making the wrong assumption that a Marine by himself is outnumbered." - Gen Peter Pace, USMC