A friend gave me a copy of the Frankonia Jagd catalog from Germany. They have so many more guns, (rifles, shotguns, pistols, revolvers etc.), than we see here it is astounding. They even have European models of guns by American Manufacturers. There is a Ruger #1 "Blockbuchse" that is absolutely elegant. Manufacturers such as Heym, Blaser,Swiss Arms, Mauser,Sauer,Zoli etc. as well as the companies we all are familiar with. These are besides the various combination guns. Makes me want to go to Germany.
I think it's becasue we're Yanks......cowboys.....simpletons. We only NEED one gun. The fact that we have more than one is because of European "influence"
Import taxes, fees and regulations are my guess. A lot of them are probably the same reasons why all Glocks come from the factory with adjustable sights to score extra points (not to mention we aren't allowed to have the Glock 25 too). Blame the people against "Saturday Night Specials" too.
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Unless it's a controlled import weapon such a machine pistols I dont see anything on that list that you cant buy here in the U.S. if you have a fat wallet. I spent about 5 years in Germany back in the 60's and private gun ownership then was rare and almost unheard of. you had to be a land owner or a person of importance to hunt. most of us are just sportsmen using whats available on the local market.
The EU may have more guns available, but how many hoops does one have to jump through in order to be able to buy any of them? All I've heard are severe restrictions (if not outright bans) on most classes of firearms (Sweden notwithstanding). People in Europe don't need firearms - the Nanny state is there to protect them.
The EU may have more guns available, but how many hoops does one have to jump through in order to be able to buy any of them? All I've heard are severe restrictions (if not outright bans) on most classes of firearms (Sweden notwithstanding). People in Europe don't need firearms - the Nanny state is there to protect them.
i think you have to listen to people that know what they are talking about, i know you like to think that you are very free and the only country that can have guns.
well we just elected besides guns to also have free hospitals and schools including university level, not have the murder rate of an african country etc.
maybe you should listen more and stop talking, it might improve your knowlegdebase a lot.
Even with all the Bull$hit gun laws that have been past in the USA we still have it better than many European nations. I'll take a lesser selection to chose from than be like a lot of Euros and only be able to look at catalogs. Many need to have mucho money to have guns. For the time being we still don't need to have anything more than a desire to own a gun here in America and we can have them. Provided we can find the money to pay for them.
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Even with all the Bull$hit gun laws that have been past in the USA we still have it better than MOST European nations. I'll take a lesser selection to chose from than be like a lot of Euros and only be able to look at catalogs.
who might "MOST european nations" they be, please answer as i really would like to know
i think you have to listen to people that know what they are talking about, i know you like to think that you are very free and the only country that can have guns.
well we just elected besides guns to also have free hospitals and schools including university level, not have the murder rate of an african country etc.
maybe you should listen more and stop talking, it might improve your knowlegdebase a lot.
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peter
Who is "WE"?It seems that if you know enough to rag someone else,you could give a few facts to back up what you say.You could be perfectly right,but I would like to read where you got your info. ,,,sam.
I can name a few places I've been that didn't seem to gun friendly to me. UK and Germany come quickly to mind. I happen to work with International students (Brits, Czech, Romanian, Bulgarian, Hungarian, German, Swede, Fins, Danes, Norsk) occasionally. Being a gun enthusiast I often talk about shooting with them and many comment how much easier us Americans have it when it comes to gun ownership. It's funny than some, having never been to the USA before, envision the wild west as our way of life. Some are quite surprised that anyone (barring felons) can own personal weapons. Sometimes I even take them shooting if the chance presents itself.
A Londonite I just worked with two weeks ago was saying how hand guns were not available to him other than what he uses in the military. To own a hunting rifle was quite a lengthy and expensive affair and he needed to be a member of a hunting club (which was also expensive).
I actually had changed my post from most to many before you made your post. I didn't mean it to be a blanket statement. I certainly don't know enough about anything to think I'm an expert on anything including your gun rights. But I don't recall anyone that I have trained or anyplace that I have been to that was as easy as it is here in the US. I could go to lunch and buy a 5 shotguns and 5 rifles from Wal-Mart at this very moment if I had the dersire and money. It would take me about 20 minutes to do the paper work and I'd be done. There is no explaination needed as to why I want to buy 10 guns today.
Where is it you are and how easy is it to be a gun owner of hand guns and long guns? Do you have to join a club, pay rediculous fees or taxes, be a land owner or be a person of prominance? Also, has it been this way for the last 200 years or is something recent?
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"we just elected besides guns to also have free hospitals and schools including university level, not have the murder rate of an african country etc."
We just elected dear chairman malbama who promised these same things
What? Have you been to a G&N lately?How about some of the bigger sports stores? ,,,sam.
Guess I'm just a simple backwoods brushpicker but what is G&N ?
and where I live WalMart is about as big as it gets (when I'm able to get to town) Remington, Winchester, Savage and Marlin is about as far is it goes. Since the GCA of 1968 I haven't been able to buy a gun by mail order, the Govt. doesn't trust me.
Post script: If guns are so hard to get in Germany why would Waffen Frankonia stock so many and porduce such an extensive catalog?
As to only the rich being able to hunt, it seems to be getting that way in this country to me. Much of the prime game habitat is leased and you have to book an outfitter. I'm retired and receiving Soc. Sec. so no outfitters/guides are in my future.
Who is "WE"?It seems that if you know enough to rag someone else,you could give a few facts to back up what you say.You could be perfectly right,but I would like to read where you got your info. ,,,sam.
i used the word WE as a european, toward the blanket statment that was made.
I am a dane working out of london as a gunmaker, so i have some knowlegde of the different european gunlaws.
as a dane
no limits to shotguns as soon as you have your hunting license, no limits to hunting rifles, but you have to pay a fee pr. gun for the license about 80 $.
handguns 5 is the limit and you have to belong to a gunclub to be allowed to own them. which just makes most people concentrate on quality.
england
stupid gunlaws, but it is still possible to own and shoot rifles and shotguns in england, if you make the paperwork work for you.
germany
still possible to own shotguns and rifles and handguns just on your hunting license.
holland is a bit hard but not impossible, hunting rights are scarse as there are very little land to hunt and only a few species to hunt therefore expensive.
belgium
cool country, use to be no limits to anything, it is a bit harder these days.
france.
ok, except no military calibers for civilians.
all in all it aint very hard, but in most countrys you have to pass a hunters exam of some kind, and that might seem hard to some, but in my eye's if they cant pass that exam then they have no buisness carrying a gun in nature anyways.
A friend gave me a copy of the Frankonia Jagd catalog from Germany. They have so many more guns, (rifles, shotguns, pistols, revolvers etc.), than we see here it is astounding. They even have European models of guns by American Manufacturers. There is a Ruger #1 "Blockbuchse" that is absolutely elegant. Manufacturers such as Heym, Blaser,Swiss Arms, Mauser,Sauer,Zoli etc. as well as the companies we all are familiar with. These are besides the various combination guns. Makes me want to go to Germany.
Gentlemen I think we have gotten away from the question Purdy was asking! Off into if you got enough money, or if my laws are better thsn yours, or who is allowed to own a gun. That may be what he was asking but i don't think that is it.
I think what he was asking was WHY DON'T WE MAKE MORE TYPES OF FIREARMS like Austria, Germany, Italy, Spain. or the UK.
In the USA I think the answer is we have gone to the assembly line type of gun making, and only make guns that can be made by robots like Fords, and Chevys, with the only in hand work done by simply bolting parts together and boxing them up for a trip to Wal-Mart.
In those Europian countrues there is still a large amount of folks who can build the type of firearms that require a large amount of skilled hand fitting, and very little machine made big box store guns.
I think we need to not be cussing the gun laws in other countries, and instead start worrying what we are looking at in our own country with the Obamanation crap we will be dealing with! As of right now we are the freest nation in the history of the world, but that is about to change my friends if we don't start cleaning up our own house, instead of gloating over the fact that we have more freedom than other countries!
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"we just elected besides guns to also have free hospitals and schools including university level, not have the murder rate of an african country etc."
We just elected dear chairman malbama who promised these same things
im not quite sure that he will deliver what he promised, and if he do some of you guys outthere are going to pay bitterly for the joy of his idea of obamaworld, he were just in copenhagen, please could you guy's try to keep him at home, our country is not big enough for his inflated ego
