Has your Cheese been moved?

ALR · 11-21-2009, 11:54 PM

Cheese, being the thing you are striving to achieve or maintain, as in a promotion, raise, vacation, retirement, job, loss of a job, illness, life changing event, marital status, dating, etc.
All these things mean a change in your life regardless of its significance. The important thing is how do you handle it?
What important event has happened in your life and how have you reacted to the moving of your cheese? Finding another pile of cheese, or just another flavor?

LiveToShoot · 11-22-2009, 12:03 AM

Yes, it's a well written book...

...with an important and useful message for us at this time in our journey:

Who Moved My Cheese?

You Tube

http://ght.ir/files/books/Who_Moved_My_Cheese.pdf

jerry · 11-22-2009, 07:03 AM

good book

billy · 11-22-2009, 07:56 AM

well
lets see
this year i
changed careers (with pay cut)
moved and bought a house
took up a complicated new hobby (cars)
getting ready to put my mom in a old folks home
deaths of two buddies
health issues
just deal with it and move on.

p.s.
i dont need a book to tell me that...

Ruger100 · 11-22-2009, 08:14 AM

Great book. I used to have all of my managers read it and would reference it when company changes were in the works.

Dookiebutt · 11-22-2009, 08:16 AM

I am self-employed. My cheese is moved all the time. Sometimes I can't even find it.

.22hustler · 11-22-2009, 08:52 AM

Another bunch of hogwash brought to you by the Japanese work enviroment. We went through all sorts of this type of garbage while working at Eastman Kodak, and none of it was worth a tinker's damn.. What we would call "this month's project of the month".Dept managers love this stuff but it doesn't do diddly-squat on the shop floor. You reminded me of a bad taste in my mouth, ALR, from a long time ago..Certainly, no dis-respect to you ALR, just towards this mind-set.

nathangdad · 11-22-2009, 09:10 AM

we got this book at work and it was interesting to read how Hem and Haw dealt with the situation.

However, I had the question of - what if the cheese was moved to a foreign country outside the boundaries of their world? Then even
thinking ahead and motivation will not get food.

The book has the premise that something equally good is out there if you search for it. For two million manufacturing job holders it is not.

LiveToShoot · 11-22-2009, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR

Cheese, being the thing you are striving to achieve or maintain, as in a promotion, raise, vacation, retirement, job, loss of a job, illness, life changing event, marital status, dating, etc.
All these things mean a change in your life regardless of its significance. The important thing is how do you handle it?
What important event has happened in your life and how have you reacted to the moving of your cheese? Finding another pile of cheese, or just another flavor?

Thank you for this thread ALR...

...and, it provides helpful info to those who want and will use it.

Cheers...

ALR · 11-22-2009, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .22hustler

Another bunch of hogwash brought to you by the Japanese work enviroment. We went through all sorts of this type of garbage while working at Eastman Kodak, and none of it was worth a tinker's damn.. What we would call "this month's project of the month".Dept managers love this stuff but it doesn't do diddly-squat on the shop floor. You reminded me of a bad taste in my mouth, ALR, from a long time ago..Certainly, no dis-respect to you ALR, just towards this mind-set.

22, I can see where it could be abused in an environment like a corporate/factory setting, I havent seen this side of the aspect.
I apologize to you because it wasnt meant to flame any ill feelings.
That said, I can see where it may help some to see that there is a hope of type if you look for it in a lot of situations.
Thank you 22 for your input.......Tony

Earl Easter · 11-22-2009, 09:33 AM

Great Book but i still have trouble when some one moves my cheese....
We all get comfortable at the things we do but sometimes in different situations it is hard to make the change..........I had no problems with moving cheese at work,it was the other things that were difficult.......

Shooter Girl · 11-22-2009, 09:38 AM

Yeah, my cheese moved.

Up until four years ago I had a pretty normal life. Married to my childhood sweetheart, a good carreer in the Marines.

Then in Dec 04 my husband was killed in Iraq. I was lost, nothing interested me anymore. So I got out after my enlistment was up, packed up my things and vanished for about a year.

That didn't help, so I took a job offshore and moved to Louisiana.

That didn't help, so I moved to Texas and changed jobs again. Still offshore, but doing what I do now.

That didn't help. Then my sister moved in with me, and she started to help me out. I was running from it all instead of facing it.

Things are finally starting to get better. She even convinced me to start dating again. Though I am not sure how that will turn out.

Burke · 11-22-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Shooter Girl

Yeah, my cheese moved.

Things are finally starting to get better. She even convinced me to start dating again. Though I am not sure how that will turn out.

The cheese will get thicker now and if not changed regularly it will get moldy..

Shooter Girl · 11-22-2009, 09:47 AM

How often should you change it? Ive only had one type of cheese my whole life.

woody1981 · 11-22-2009, 01:03 PM

In a place that I used to work, the operative terminology for this concept was also from the Japanese. It was called "paradigm shift." As with everything else in life, it is OK if "cheese" gets moved or "paradigms" get shifted as long as it is not your "cheese" or your "paradigm". This is human nature. Right?

Big Dog · 11-22-2009, 01:19 PM

I am an oddity among my IT peers - I am a Mainframe Programmer - not many of us left. At work our entire Budget and Accounting systems are still on the Mainframe Platform - take it down - people don't get paid, bills don't get paid, financial history doesn't get updated - in short - the whole ball of wax implodes.
I learned awhile ago, everyone's cheese gets moved - but you can greatly reduce it by becoming the resident expert on old, moldy vintage cheese........
I also revamped a long unupdated billing system application, that saved the department a few thousand bucks. I am the 'go to guy' for converting and saving old tape data onto DVD - with our 'siloed' systems that don't like alking to one another, it's a long drawn-out process that I have become adept at - allowing the various departments to get away from tape storeage and save more money. Saving them money in this age of budget crunches makes me a very well-liked guy to have around......
So if I can keep it going til I retire, I'm happy. Ten years to go.....

I'm looking after MY cheese!

.22hustler · 11-22-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shooter Girl

Yeah, my cheese moved.

Up until four years ago I had a pretty normal life. Married to my childhood sweetheart, a good carreer in the Marines.

Then in Dec 04 my husband was killed in Iraq. I was lost, nothing interested me anymore. So I got out after my enlistment was up, packed up my things and vanished for about a year.

That didn't help, so I took a job offshore and moved to Louisiana.

That didn't help, so I moved to Texas and changed jobs again. Still offshore, but doing what I do now.

That didn't help. Then my sister moved in with me, and she started to help me out. I was running from it all instead of facing it.

Things are finally starting to get better. She even convinced me to start dating again. Though I am not sure how that will turn out.

So sorry to learn of all your hardships.. I wish you were closer, I'd gladly lend a helpful and caring hand. Best of luck to you....

mission_striker · 11-22-2009, 02:18 PM

My cheese has been moved often and the moldy stink of it leads me to believe the whole thing is fixed and nobody even bothers to switch out the bait, but I still keep going for some reason. Maybe pure spite.

.22hustler · 11-22-2009, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR

22, I can see where it could be abused in an environment like a corporate/factory setting, I havent seen this side of the aspect.
I apologize to you because it wasnt meant to flame any ill feelings.
That said, I can see where it may help some to see that there is a hope of type if you look for it in a lot of situations.
Thank you 22 for your input.......Tony

Tony, thank you for your thoughtful answer to my rant. You didn't offend me in the least; I enjoy your posts. I/we, saw so much of this BS while at Kodak, it was bordering on insanity. From a "inclusive culture", "empowering", "leading by example", to many other assorted catch phrases; scheduling meetings to discuss meetings, process control that maintainence wouldn't tolerate, (why fix something that wasn't broke),etc, etc, etc. And of course when they changed dept managers, mindsets had to be changed, (my way or the highway), it's no wonder this once great company is now going down the toilet. I could write several books on the garbage that happened at Kodak, and is still happening, but I left in 2003 when my job went to Mexico. 35 1/2 yrs at the company, and nothing to show for it.. No life insurance, no medical, no nothing.. A small lump sum and shown the door...Please excuse the rant.. I'm truly sorry.... I guess when you have a mindset to be optimistc about your future, and seeking out new horizons, then that's great. But in my case, a unskilled laborer, there is not much hope. Well, back to the giants game, and then on to Homestead!!! Go Jimmy...#48!!!! And Tony, thanks for your service.. My b-i-l was at the Siege of Khe Sanh, and is also a victim of Agent Orange..

Mooseman684 · 11-22-2009, 03:27 PM

My Cheese is SWISS...Its full of Holes , and each hole leads to a different Path to explore in Life. Keeps it interesting , to say the least.

11-21-2009, 11:54 PM	#1
ALR STAIN'ALIVE,STAIN'ALIVE! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: By the shore of Gitchee Gumee, By the Shining Big-Sea-Water Posts: 1,096	Has your Cheese been moved? Cheese, being the thing you are striving to achieve or maintain, as in a promotion, raise, vacation, retirement, job, loss of a job, illness, life changing event, marital status, dating, etc. All these things mean a change in your life regardless of its significance. The important thing is how do you handle it? What important event has happened in your life and how have you reacted to the moving of your cheese? Finding another pile of cheese, or just another flavor? __________________ AGENT ORANGE The last ghost of Vietnam ATF- Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, who is bringing the chips?

11-22-2009, 08:16 AM	#6
Dookiebutt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: America's North Coast Posts: 2,161	I am self-employed. My cheese is moved all the time. Sometimes I can't even find it. __________________ The nerds will never understand the awesomeness of it.

11-22-2009, 09:10 AM	#8
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,781	Well, we got this book at work and it was interesting to read how Hem and Haw dealt with the situation. However, I had the question of - what if the cheese was moved to a foreign country outside the boundaries of their world? Then even thinking ahead and motivation will not get food. The book has the premise that something equally good is out there if you search for it. For two million manufacturing job holders it is not.

11-22-2009, 01:03 PM	#15
woody1981 One of the Usual Suspects Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: southwest PA Posts: 1,550 Blog Entries: 1	In a place that I used to work, the operative terminology for this concept was also from the Japanese. It was called "paradigm shift." As with everything else in life, it is OK if "cheese" gets moved or "paradigms" get shifted as long as it is not your "cheese" or your "paradigm". This is human nature. Right? __________________ A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”~Freud

11-22-2009, 01:19 PM	#16
Big Dog Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 13,710	I am an oddity among my IT peers - I am a Mainframe Programmer - not many of us left. At work our entire Budget and Accounting systems are still on the Mainframe Platform - take it down - people don't get paid, bills don't get paid, financial history doesn't get updated - in short - the whole ball of wax implodes. I learned awhile ago, everyone's cheese gets moved - but you can greatly reduce it by becoming the resident expert on old, moldy vintage cheese........ I also revamped a long unupdated billing system application, that saved the department a few thousand bucks. I am the 'go to guy' for converting and saving old tape data onto DVD - with our 'siloed' systems that don't like alking to one another, it's a long drawn-out process that I have become adept at - allowing the various departments to get away from tape storeage and save more money. Saving them money in this age of budget crunches makes me a very well-liked guy to have around...... So if I can keep it going til I retire, I'm happy. Ten years to go..... I'm looking after MY cheese! __________________ "A bold spirit embiggens the smallest man!" Jebediah Springfield

11-22-2009, 07:03 AM	#3
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 13,638 Blog Entries: 1	good book

11-22-2009, 07:56 AM	#4
billy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 20,410 Blog Entries: 161	well lets see this year i changed careers (with pay cut) moved and bought a house took up a complicated new hobby (cars) getting ready to put my mom in a old folks home deaths of two buddies health issues just deal with it and move on. p.s. i dont need a book to tell me that... __________________ ANGRY SMART AND SOBER

11-22-2009, 08:14 AM	#5
Ruger100 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: DeBary, Florida Posts: 564	Great book. I used to have all of my managers read it and would reference it when company changes were in the works.

11-22-2009, 08:52 AM	#7
.22hustler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,630	Another bunch of hogwash brought to you by the Japanese work enviroment. We went through all sorts of this type of garbage while working at Eastman Kodak, and none of it was worth a tinker's damn.. What we would call "this month's project of the month".Dept managers love this stuff but it doesn't do diddly-squat on the shop floor. You reminded me of a bad taste in my mouth, ALR, from a long time ago..Certainly, no dis-respect to you ALR, just towards this mind-set.

11-22-2009, 09:33 AM	#11
Earl Easter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,444	Great Book but i still have trouble when some one moves my cheese.... We all get comfortable at the things we do but sometimes in different situations it is hard to make the change..........I had no problems with moving cheese at work,it was the other things that were difficult.......

11-22-2009, 09:38 AM	#12
Shooter Girl Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 141	Yeah, my cheese moved. Up until four years ago I had a pretty normal life. Married to my childhood sweetheart, a good carreer in the Marines. Then in Dec 04 my husband was killed in Iraq. I was lost, nothing interested me anymore. So I got out after my enlistment was up, packed up my things and vanished for about a year. That didn't help, so I took a job offshore and moved to Louisiana. That didn't help, so I moved to Texas and changed jobs again. Still offshore, but doing what I do now. That didn't help. Then my sister moved in with me, and she started to help me out. I was running from it all instead of facing it. Things are finally starting to get better. She even convinced me to start dating again. Though I am not sure how that will turn out.

11-22-2009, 09:47 AM	#14
Shooter Girl Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 141	How often should you change it? Ive only had one type of cheese my whole life.

11-22-2009, 02:18 PM	#18
mission_striker Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 46	My cheese has been moved often and the moldy stink of it leads me to believe the whole thing is fixed and nobody even bothers to switch out the bait, but I still keep going for some reason. Maybe pure spite.

11-22-2009, 03:27 PM	#20
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 12,444	My Cheese is SWISS...Its full of Holes , and each hole leads to a different Path to explore in Life. Keeps it interesting , to say the least. __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!