TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran will begin large-scale air defense war games Sunday aimed at protecting its nuclear facilities from possible attack, a senior military commander said Saturday, reflecting the country's concern that Israel could make good on threats to strike militarily. (More info in link)
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Now if the Iranians are clever, what they will do is hold their exercises at some site that is NOT a nuclear site, to make military intelligence think there IS a nuclear site there, and therefore a worthy target when the Israelis finally get annoyed enough or apprehensive enough to smash it. But I don't think the Iranians are that subtle.
Game all they want Im very confident that if we or Israel wanted that nuke site taken out it would happen.
What happens afterwords cleaning up the mess, politically and militarily depending on how things go would be the difficulty.
They know they don't have anything to worry about from us. Our leaders are too afraid of colateral damage. Our military can't even shoot the bad guys in the two wars we are already in, if there is the slightest chance that an innocent bystander might be hurt. Now, Israel is a different story. That's why all his attention & threats are against Israel.
They know they don't have anything to worry about from us. Our leaders are too afraid of colateral damage. Our military can't even shoot the bad guys in the two wars we are already in, if there is the slightest chance that an innocent bystander might be hurt. Now, Israel is a different story. That's why all his attention & threats are against Israel.
Yeah on the U.S., but in recient years they have been investing heavily into PRECISION munitions so that they can avoid alot of those things. It will be interesting on what the U.S. military will have in the next 10 years. If there is any "collateral damage", then it's because the enemy put it there.
Wargames Shwargames... lol The Iranian military is nothing for us to worry about. Remember, these are the guys who fought Saddam's "Elite" million man army to a stalemate after more than 8 years. It took us all of 100 hours to roll over the entire Iraq military force. Iran would be no different. Holding the ground is the hard part. But, if you aren't trying to hold the ground, you hit, destroy, and go home. That would be our approach to the situation.
Since we already know where their nuclear facilities are located, and so do Israel, it doesn't matter where they hold the exercise. The only people who seem to NOT know where they are is the U.N. and their nuclear watchdog organization. LoL
Colateral damage will definitely occur because the enemy put it there. Just like saddam installed some of his fire power in schools, residential areas, etc. Only it'll never happen now, since we got a bunch of panty waists in washington running things. That spineless president we have won't pull the trigger & Iran knows it.
Wargames Shwargames... lol The Iranian military is nothing for us to worry about. Remember, these are the guys who fought Saddam's "Elite" million man army to a stalemate after more than 8 years. It took us all of 100 hours to roll over the entire Iraq military force. Iran would be no different. Holding the ground is the hard part. But, if you aren't trying to hold the ground, you hit, destroy, and go home. That would be our approach to the situation.
Since we already know where their nuclear facilities are located, and so do Israel, it doesn't matter where they hold the exercise. The only people who seem to NOT know where they are is the U.N. and their nuclear watchdog organization. LoL
Kind of like the stalemate the Afghans fought to with the Russians and we are now seemingly in with the Taliban? But that's mainly due to a lack of backbone in and from our current commander in chief and his not having the marbles in and to make the decision to add troops.
So, I'm not so sure a stalemate is something to take lightly? Especially if this one we're in with the Taliban ends in one? That would only boost not only Iran's ego and position but a stalemate with the Taliban for us would also put a smile on the faces of Russia, China, Cuba and every other country that hates and or despises us.
With our current problems within our own borders many see us as a threat no more as it is and a stalemate in/with Afghanistan would only increase that belief among those that feel and see us this way.
For some, a stalemate is as good as a win. Especially if that stalemate is against us. My thoughts on a stalemate anyhow.
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It is kinda hard to protect against a nuclear bunker buster. How do you say this in Farsi, "Does anybody else hear that whistling noise? It seems to be getting closer..."
I wonder if it will just be an excercise to flex muscle or if it would be something else. Would Iran be dumb enough to put all of its fighters and bombers on a "war games exercise" and then just go on a surprise attack straight to Israel? It would be pretty far fetched but who knows with the crazy people over there. Maybe I am just letting my mind wander a little too far...
Egypt went with a surprise attack that the Israelis were very unprepared for. I wonder if Israel will go on high alert when the Iranian "war games" start?
In the link above, I was reading through it when I caught this:
"A portion of the Egyptian population, most prominently university students who launched wide protests, strongly desired a war to reclaim the Sinai and was highly upset that Sadat had not launched one in his first three years in office."
Now, there were a lot of protests in Iran but mostly against the government for political reasons due to their elected leaders. However, I know there are other protests that have happened recently that called for the destruction of Israel. Now what was that quote I was looking for again? O yea, "History repeats itself"...
Oooo, I just found some more stuff in the article:
"Sadat had so long engaged in brinkmanship, that his frequent war threats were being ignored by the world. In May and August 1973 the Egyptian army conducted military exercises near the border, and the Israeli army mobilized in response both times at considerable cost.
For the week leading up to Yom Kippur, the Egyptian army staged a week-long training exercise adjacent to the Suez Canal. Israeli intelligence, detecting large troop movements towards the canal, dismissed these movements as mere training exercises."
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It is kinda hard to protect against a nuclear bunker buster. How do you say this in Farsi, "Does anybody else hear that whistling noise? It seems to be getting closer..."
You can't. By the time it took you to say that whole sentence, you would already be dust! LOL!
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Collateral damage will definitely occur because the enemy put it there. Just like saddam installed some of his fire power in schools, residential areas, etc. Only it'll never happen now, since we got a bunch of panty waists in washington running things. That spineless president we have won't pull the trigger & Iran knows it.
Agreed.............AND also it's world opinion too that they focus on. Particularly the ARAB world. They will try their best to make us look like hypocrites. That is why we need to break away from foreign oil.
Colateral damage will definitely occur because the enemy put it there. Just like saddam installed some of his fire power in schools, residential areas, etc. Only it'll never happen now, since we got a bunch of panty waists in washington running things. That spineless president we have won't pull the trigger & Iran knows it.
Not just this President but all of them back to Truman. He made the decision to bomb civilians with two Atom bombs, publicity be damned.
I don't get this playing war crap. You don't tell'em we're coming. You just come and bring it! Destroy until the other side capitulates or is gone. You don't rebuild either. They started it, let them rebuild it.
All this trying to rationalize killing. Either killing is right or it is wrong. If killing is right, then let's get busy. If not, stay at home.
War should be a last resort and it should be so devastating and disgusting that even the winner has a bad taste in his mouth. We marched across Europe and the South Pacific in less time than we're messing around in some f'n sandbox. Republican or Democrat, let's fight for real or bring our troops home. Swartzkoff(sp) would've done it right if it wasn't for some politician back home with no backbone.
Wargames Shwargames... lol The Iranian military is nothing for us to worry about. Remember, these are the guys who fought Saddam's "Elite" million man army to a stalemate after more than 8 years. It took us all of 100 hours to roll over the entire Iraq military force. Iran would be no different. Holding the ground is the hard part. But, if you aren't trying to hold the ground, you hit, destroy, and go home. That would be our approach to the situation.
Since we already know where their nuclear facilities are located, and so do Israel, it doesn't matter where they hold the exercise. The only people who seem to NOT know where they are is the U.N. and their nuclear watchdog organization. LoL
Exactly! Do we really need to "fix" Iran like we "fixed" Iraq & A-stan? Hell-to-the-NO!!!!!!!! We should fix them by bombing the crap outta their facilities from a nearby sub & then saying "Anybody else? *crickets* Bueller, Fry? *tumbleweeds* No? Cool..."
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Not just this President but all of them back to Truman. He made the decision to bomb civilians with two Atom bombs, publicity be damned.
I don't get this playing war crap. You don't tell'em we're coming. You just come and bring it! Destroy until the other side capitulates or is gone. You don't rebuild either. They started it, let them rebuild it.
All this trying to rationalize killing. Either killing is right or it is wrong. If killing is right, then let's get busy. If not, stay at home.
War should be a last resort and it should be so devastating and disgusting that even the winner has a bad taste in his mouth. We marched across Europe and the South Pacific in less time than we're messing around in some f'n sandbox. Republican or Democrat, let's fight for real or bring our troops home. Swartzkoff(sp) would've done it right if it wasn't for some politician back home with no backbone.
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Kind of like the stalemate the Afghans fought to with the Russians and we are now seemingly in with the Taliban? But that's mainly due to a lack of backbone in and from our current commander in chief and his not having the marbles in and to make the decision to add troops.
So, I'm not so sure a stalemate is something to take lightly? Especially if this one we're in with the Taliban ends in one? That would only boost not only Iran's ego and position but a stalemate with the Taliban for us would also put a smile on the faces of Russia, China, Cuba and every other country that hates and or despises us.
With our current problems within our own borders many see us as a threat no more as it is and a stalemate in/with Afghanistan would only increase that belief among those that feel and see us this way.
For some, a stalemate is as good as a win. Especially if that stalemate is against us. My thoughts on a stalemate anyhow.
Gotta disagree with the majority of your post but I do respect & agree with your last paragraph. Not sure about the 2 question marks in your 2nd paragraph, I don't get those. What our issue is with the Taliban is essentially 1 of a heard of elephants who are trying to step on several thousand ants which are surrounding them & constantly biting them. Will the elephant step on lots of them by just walking? Yes. Just as we engage & kill dozens of them doing patrols but certainly not like we're hunting them down in all their caves, as well as how they obviously blend in with the population & we certainly aren't the ones initiating contact the vast majority of the time. I digress, better not get started on that whole issue.
Our biggest obstacle of warring in this region is losing the image/propaganda war. It's not 1 that can be decided militarily, which I agree with you're saying about the 80s war. Neither side won, per se, yet I see it more akin to VN where although the US never lost a battle, we lost the war of attrition. Mounting casualties over time. Same concept now. We've been in the middle east for how long without that exclamation point victory? It's because there CAN'T be one by definition of the War On Terror. It's like the war on drugs. It's a metaphorical war in a way.
I see people saying all over the place saying how we should turn this or that country into a sheet of glass but 1) we all know that'll never happen so save your breath & 2) what has the counterinsurgency (COIN) tactics, techniques & procedures (TTPs) taught us? For every 1 we kill, we turn into a martyr & thus another 1 just takes his/her place. To clarify, when I say that the image/propaganda war, I'm not saying that we can't shoot the bad guys. I'm saying that the old school of thought was to shoot em all & then we win. That's not possible due to our major pooch-screws since 9/11/01 & the our rules of engagement (ROE) we're confined by.
So what would I do if I was the 5 star lol? Maybe some surgical strikes on all legitimate targets that pose a imminant or near future threat regarding military, nuclear & biological sites that Iran holds. This will cripple them from a military standpoint yet not in an infrastructure 1. 4 years ago I said "Shock & awe worked but occupation didn't. Let's do more shock & awe & less occupation!". Hey, I'm just a lowly E-4 with 2 years in, what do I know.
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is the same old yah-yah rah-rah so characteristic of the regime.
Should Israel really deliver a strike these war games will seem truly like kids playing in the sand.
, as well as how they obviously blend in with the population & we certainly aren't the ones initiating contact the vast majority of the time. I digress, better not get started on that whole issue.
. To clarify, when I say that the image/propaganda war, I'm not saying that we can't shoot the bad guys. I'm saying that the old school of thought was to shoot em all & then we win. That's not possible due to our major pooch-screws since 9/11/01 & the our rules of engagement (ROE) we're confined by.
"Shock & awe worked but occupation didn't. Let's do more shock & awe & less occupation!"
