"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."
- Cicero - 55 BC
So what have we learned in 2,064 years?
Evidently nothing!!
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Cicero?? That's where my daughter teaches in the largest junior high in the country, it's Al Capone's hometown, and it's in Illinois, where taxes are far from unknown.
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"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."
- Cicero - 55 BC
So what have we learned in 2,064 years?
Evidently nothing!!
Human Nature NEVER changes.
Good quote grizcty.
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We should care for the elderly and the infirm. Those that do not work but can, get put to work by the Govt to work on our Nation's infrastructure. Learning skills along the way, and mandatory drug testing for a decent wage. How do we pay for it you ask ?? Easy, with their old public assistance checks !!
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I wish to add should Cicero come back to life in today's America he would say the government needs to bring manufacturing back to the nation so people could work in decent paying jobs with some type benefits. Those who really want and should work need viable employment - not fast food type jobs.
Cicero would, I believe, be in favor of America being an exporter of quality goods.
Human nature never changes - I've read of similar findings in ancient Assyrian and Babylonian texts - even THEY had Elitist government types oppressing them. Remember, the King always has his beaurocrats running the day-to-day business.......
"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." - Cicero - 55 BC
So what have we learned in 2,064 years?
Evidently nothing!!
Everyone should also note: THEY DIDN'T LISTEN TO HIM!!
This was recapped by Adam Smith just before our Constitution was written (largely with the help of his influence).
We've learned this lesson time and time again.
Rome Fell, France went thru a revolution, Czarist Russia went thru a revolution, followed by the fall of Communism later. China did it the first time with a very corrupt Kuomuntung Regime followed by Mao followed by a return to capitalism. Germany tried it prior to WWII--that turned out poorly (and we're copying their monetary policy even as we chat here). These are relatively simple facts but we seem to somehow let malcreants direct our governments elsewhere.
All of this has happened many times before; we've NEVER been in uncharted territory.
Even our first attempt at non-backed inflated paper money (the Continental, I believe) was a failure.
Get gov't OUT of but a very few things in any economy.
Gov'ts do HORRIBLY in the "protection" racket.
We're "relearning" it once again. Beware of well-spoken snake oil salesmen.
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people b******* about things is nothing new.
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I actually heard a word I as to this date had never heard in the U.S. media it was "uprising" they are actually talking about and slighty encouraging a coup to over throw the socialist. Where did I here it ? It came from the senator of North Dakota can't remember his name . I saw it on fox of course , but it floored me that it was even allowed to be spoken on Television. Maybe somebody is reading forums like this and actually getting a true feeling for the pulse of america .
When I was on a tatter chip route I went into place's most pepole don't ever go into to service Mom and Pop stores.
This is the Gospel truth...I saw people in my own small city that I'd never seen before with most of them on goverment asistants.
Hundreds of people that were uneducated, severly obese, filty talking and many being drunks, women with several children that did not work.
I'm not done...I saw kids out of school of all ages just standing around.
In Arkansas you have to go to school, I could'nt help wonder why so many young people were not in school.
I looked into it and found they were exspelled for there behavior.
Honest truth, these people can't be helped. If I was an employer I would never ever hire people like this there beyond help, some more so than others.
What do you do with all these people that are this way ? These stores in the neighborhoods,,, bussiness only did well every 1st. of the month when these people got there goverment checks.
This may read like I'm picking on a class of people, I'm not, it saddens me A LOT !
Yet they made there nest and have to sleep in it.
The goverment will never cut them off and it appears it will never get better and continue for years and years to come.
To me I blame the goverment for not putting enough money in education for special schools that might turn many of these people's lives around, where they want be dependent on goverment assistants.
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Another variant of the same idea, democracy will survive only until the people learn that they can vote to give themselves money.
AH, I sympathize with your sentiment. The fact is, we have created a welfare class by virtue of our virtuosity. We tend to take care of those in need. As such, the slothful quickly figure out that if they do nothing someone will make sure they survive. It is but a small step from repeatedly getting help you need to demanding things you don't need, just so you can live as well as those who work. And some of those who work do so in name only. I have worked in a shop where the guys who were there for a long time literally told the new guys to slow down and not work so hard, lest they make the long term guys look bad. I have worked in a shop where you got in trouble for helping a guy with a tough task since doing so was not in your job description and the union guys got mad at you. I once got my thumb squashed by a forklift fork, got a bandage on it, and continued working. Numerous guys told me I should have taken the day off.
The business of helping those who need it must be carefully overseen to avoid them feeling entitled to getting everything they want just by asking or yelling for it. Unfortunately, it has not been. We now see a vast number of folks who have been shown that they can vote to make the working people of this country support them.
I don't think those who work will put up with it for too much longer.
As for our manufacturing jobs leaving, it's a simple matter of economics. You can't expect to keep building Fords if everyone who builds them drives to work in a Honda. You can't expect to keep making clothes here if you buy your clothes from Wally World and see that "Made in China" on all of them. I could go on, but you get the idea.
Buy American goods to support American jobs. If you want the jobs here, you need to be willing to pay the labor costs.
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^Just try to find some US made goods to buy these days.
Shirts that we used to buy were made in the US-A well-known label.
Now, you see the same shirts with the same label and you get to choose if you want one made in China or Russia-at the same price as the ones that used to be made in the US.
When I was on a tatter chip route I went into place's most pepole don't ever go into to service Mom and Pop stores.
This is the Gospel truth...I saw people in my own small city that I'd never seen before with most of them on goverment asistants.
Hundreds of people that were uneducated, severly obese, filty talking and many being drunks, women with several children that did not work.
I'm not done...I saw kids out of school of all ages just standing around.
In Arkansas you have to go to school, I could'nt help wonder why so many young people were not in school.
I looked into it and found they were exspelled for there behavior.
Honest truth, these people can't be helped. If I was an employer I would never ever hire people like this there beyond help, some more so than others.
What do you do with all these people that are this way ? These stores in the neighborhoods,,, bussiness only did well every 1st. of the month when these people got there goverment checks.
This may read like I'm picking on a class of people, I'm not, it saddens me A LOT !
Yet they made there nest and have to sleep in it.
The goverment will never cut them off and it appears it will never get better and continue for years and years to come.
To me I blame the goverment for not putting enough money in education for special schools that might turn many of these people's lives around, where they want be dependent on goverment assistants.
I see this everyday. For those who want to cut off these peoples Govt handouts, you will see crime rise like never before. There is no solution on the horizon. This problem was created over 100 years ago and will not go quietly into the night.
That don't confront me so long as I get my govt check, food stamps, and utility assistance by Friday.
I have moved mine to Thursday in case of a governmental default..
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We should care for the elderly and the infirm. Those that do not work but can, get put to work by the Govt to work on our Nation's infrastructure. Learning skills along the way, and mandatory drug testing for a decent wage. How do we pay for it you ask ?? Easy, with their old public assistance checks !!
Their productivity would be so poor, it would be cheaper to send them to Disneyland...SS, your sentence is spot on!
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I see this everyday. For those who want to cut off these peoples Govt handouts, you will see crime rise like never before. There is no solution on the horizon. This problem was created over 100 years ago and will not go quietly into the night.
Oh yes, Ram, there is a solution...Work or say goodbye....
I see this everyday. For those who want to cut off these peoples Govt handouts, you will see crime rise like never before. There is no solution on the horizon. This problem was created over 100 years ago and will not go quietly into the night.
Yup. You can't just make these people work either. They are stuck in their ways and would turn to crime over work as it is much easier. It would have to be a slow thing in getting rid of these handouts and couldn't be done overnight or crime would increase like never before.
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You are right. There is an ever growing class of people in America that have simply either "given up" or perhaps never started believing.
It is a complex issue. I was raised to believe you went to work, did a quality job, and got paid for it. However, I do see the point that minimum wage and no benefits is not something that will ever work in America.
It just beats down and demoralizes people. We have way too many dead end job situations and not enough quality jobs for our current population.
I feel we must bring back the quality jobs so shamelessly sent overseas.
I know that is not the total answer but it is important.
Thomas Jefferson made the observation many times throughout his life that slavery did nothing but bring down the slave owner and the enslaved as time progressed. Perhaps one way to look at it now is to say our nation is in the place of the slave owner in terms of the minimum wage/no benefit world and those who must enter this environment are the enslaved. Both the nation and the people are on a downward spiral.
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