heh, beat me to it, forgot miranda rights, but i guess that would go with illegal detention.
Miranda applies to the right not to incriminate yourself. There is no legal requirement to read miranda. If the officer witnesses the crime and doesn't need to question the suspect there's no need for miranda.
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Miranda applies to the right not to incriminate yourself. There is no legal requirement to read miranda. If the officer witnesses the crime and doesn't need to question the suspect there's no need for miranda.
Correct.
Just because you are under arrest does not mean you have to get your Miranda Rights read to you, that only applies under certain conditions and when specific criteria are met.
The myth that everytime you get arrested for anything and that you have to be read your Miranda Rights is an urban legend spawned from TV and movies.
Any updates yet on this case, I read through all the 50+ comments to the news article and one said they saw police going after some 18 year old kid kinda siding with the 18 year old and the other comment said that some kid was being disorderly and shouting out pigs or something and fought with several of them.
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This is the kind of thing that I am really afraid of. You know the officers will stick together and cover for each other. I have said this before and I will say it again I am afraid of the LEO's more than the bad guys.
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YES YOUR RIGHT MOST COPS ARE NOTHING BUT HIGH TECH BARNEY FIFE,S IT COMES FROM BEING PICKED ON AS A KID NOW THIER STILL SCARED BUT THEY GOT A GUN AND A BADGE AND THE RIGHT TO ARREST CHECK OUT BARNEY FIFE .COM
YES YOUR RIGHT MOST COPS ARE NOTHING BUT HIGH TECH BARNEY FIFE,S IT COMES FROM BEING PICKED ON AS A KID NOW THIER STILL SCARED BUT THEY GOT A GUN AND A BADGE AND THE RIGHT TO ARREST CHECK OUT BARNEY FIFE .COM
Actually it's just the oposite with the guys I know. Mind you I only know a few hundred, and don't know many small town guys. Can't speak for everyone, but a good percentage of the new guys we get look like they're 12 years old, and are combat vets of the sand box.
Over the last 31+ years I've sometimes wondered what lead me to it since I have that useless Bus Admin degree, and how come I enjoy it, and my best guess is I've always had a thing about bullies. If I ever got in trouble in school it was for sticking my nose between a bully and his victim. Now I get paid to deal with them.
A town, especially a small town, usually gets the kind of law enforcement it's citizens ask for, either by open support or not coming forward when something happens they don't like. In a small town you don't complain to the PD, you complain to the mayor, and you make it plain to him or her that you consider them ultimately responsible for the actions of all city departments.
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YES YOUR RIGHT MOST COPS ARE NOTHING BUT HIGH TECH BARNEY FIFE,S IT COMES FROM BEING PICKED ON AS A KID NOW THIER STILL SCARED BUT THEY GOT A GUN AND A BADGE AND THE RIGHT TO ARREST CHECK OUT BARNEY FIFE .COM
Gee most of the guys I work with are all college graduates and or military combat vets and who were quite successful in our earlier educational endeavors and social lives.
We don't put up with other idiots in our department who are either incompetent or break the laws themselves. They end up fired/arrested or investigated by IA into resigning.
So I take it by your bold all encompassing generalization that as I earlier stated a huge portion of our department and others as well which is made up of college grads and military vets from Korea to Afghanistan that you must think that by proxy a large portion of our military vets are formerly picked on scared incompetent morons...
Niether I or my colleagues defend the bad apples cop or not, Why you ask? Because 99% of us are not going to let some idiot whether he's another cop or a scum bag drag our name's, careers, families, and reputations through the mud to cover for him/her.
I stated in my very first post if the cops in this case were in the wrong then they need to be dealt with quickly and definitely, and if it was the origional poster who was wrong then the same to him.
Eventually the topic of police having some sort of "its US vs THEM" mentality gets brought up and its funny how it's usually brought up and fueled by people like you with your blatant inflammatory and insulting generalizations.
I dare you or me, anyone else to say such things about any other profession or group of people and see what happens.
All of my previous posts have been pretty objective in posting thoughts equal to both sides of this incident abd what should happen if EITHER side was in the wrong. As non of us where there We will have to wait and see what happens.
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Having lived in different parts of the country I have seen some extremely profesional departments like the Broward County Sheriffs office. Almost every officer I saw was not only in great pysical condition but they were also very even tempered and fair even if the person they were dealing with was a complete jerk. Now I live in a small town in Conneticut and all of the old timers that did such a good job of being fair and not over policing a small town have retired. In their place are a bunch of rookies that want to be robocop. They are rude dress like slobs and usally do not follow any of the laws that they are payed to enforce. These fools will never have my respect reguardless of the fact that they have a badge or not. The police Cheif is a freind of my Dads and I personally will probally never have to deal with these guys but it is still sad to see knowing that they could be much better if they would only realise that it is there job to serve and protect and not go around acting like they can do what ever thay want because they have a badge and they know it is almost impossible to do anything to them unless you have them on vidoe tape beating you sensless.
YES YOUR RIGHT MOST COPS ARE NOTHING BUT HIGH TECH BARNEY FIFE,S IT COMES FROM BEING PICKED ON AS A KID NOW THIER STILL SCARED BUT THEY GOT A GUN AND A BADGE AND THE RIGHT TO ARREST CHECK OUT BARNEY FIFE .COM
To paraphrase Sir Robert Peele
"The police are the people, and the people are the police. The police just pay attention full time to things that all citizens should pay attention to".
So if you have a good PD you should look in the mirror with pride.....and vice versa.
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I don't know that I would bother reporting back here if I was the OP. Some of you guys have been pretty rough in your commentary. As TACAV said early on, we need to see how it all shakes out before condemning either side. Every altercation, no matter how large or small, is seen from two or more points of view. ShellShock told us what it was like from his perspective. He felt he was standing up for what was right, as many here profess they would do, whether it be on the streets or in your home blowing away theoretical bad guys if your home is invaded. A lot of you climbed all over him.
He has a lot on the line as he pursues this, despite the less than ideal locale. This town is not just southeast Ohio, it's a small river town, which kind of ups the ante in the good 'ole boy network. Among other things he has on the line is his current coursework in college and potentially his chosen career, which could be in jeopardy if he doesn't get what he perceives as misconduct by the police and store employee expunged from his record. Presuming he doesn't get a change of venue and then decides to appeal the mayoral decision, again standing up for what he believes is right, anything put here could become evidence. I wouldn't be arguing with you guys on this forum either if I was in his situation.
If he does appeal, it is going to take some time for the wheels to grind forward. He may be lurking in the background, may not. But I really doubt if you will hear more from him before there is a final accounting of the whole thing. I just hope he isn't too hard on you if/when he's vindicated.
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I think only mentally damaged people actually want to be in law enforcement.
Well, I guess so. I'm in it; and I've been told I don't have enough brains to power an ant inside a Cheerio for ONE revolution.
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YES YOUR RIGHT MOST COPS ARE NOTHING BUT HIGH TECH BARNEY FIFE,S IT COMES FROM BEING PICKED ON AS A KID NOW THIER STILL SCARED BUT THEY GOT A GUN AND A BADGE AND THE RIGHT TO ARREST CHECK OUT BARNEY FIFE .COM
Since you have such a handle on the status of current law enforcement, I'll be waiting to hear how the Academy was. I mean, since I'm sure you have a spotless record, good credit, can pass a physical agilility test, written test, at least two oral boards, a psychological evaluation and test, a polygraph, an intrusive background investigation that goes back until the day you were born and going to a school for half a year and staying on probation for a full year.
Hey, since it's such an easy job, I'm sure you have the same work hazards I encounter. Tell me, when was the last time that someone walked in off the street and shot four of your co-workers to death while they were trying to drink a cup of joe, BEFORE they even went into service?
Or, maybe one of your co-workers was sitting at an intersection talking to a new hire when someone else just pulled up and blasted their head apart with a .223 rifle?
I'm sure you have all the answers.
To the OP: You will find--if you care to look--that no one is harder on a dirty cop than other officers. The vast majority of us take our oaths VERY seriously. We do our jobs to the best of our ability. We don't win every battle--but we fight the good fight, knowing the price that might have to be paid for standing our watch.
A dirty cop is like a foul stench; a vile pool of slime. A dirty, bullying, assaultive cop is an affront to his or her fellow officers. Why? Because the bullying, assaultive cop is making a mockery of the oath we take--the oath I took before Almighty God to protect and serve my fellow human beings.
But as TACAV put it already--there are multiple sides to every story. I don't doubt your story or your account--but I'd like to hear the other side. And if what you are saying is indeed the case, I'd be going after local charges, and Federal charges for violating your civil rights. Unlike you, I believe that I would settle out of court under the following terms:
1. Written admission and wrongdoing by the officers involved.
2. Written statement of apology from the department involved.
3. BOTH statements published as a matter of public record, in local news publications; said statements to be published in the first section of each publication in such a format that it occupies no less than one-half of a printed page.
4. Immediate resignation of all officers involved.
5. Immediate firing of store security personnel involved.
6. An immediate, lump-sum payable cash settlement; said settlement to include reasonable attorney's fees and court costs, and such settlement to be in an amount that will pay you, the injured party, a sum no less than ten million dollars AFTER all deductions, costs and taxes are assessed.
I admire anybody who puts their life on the line by putting on the uniform everyday to protect me. Yes, there might be an issue with some officers, but that is what Internal Affairs is for. They are trained to keep the public safe, and in doing so, wear a big target around all day.
To all Law Enforcement Officers Everywhere: I tip my hat to you and give my utmost appreciation for the job you do and the service you provide. THANK YOU!
(I also agree we need to stop the LEO bashing by shutting down the thread.)
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At the request of several of our members, I think it is about time we shut this thread down, it has become nothing more than an outlet for hateful remarks about LEO's.
Those who wish to keep up with ShellShock's situation shall do so via PM.
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