I went ammo hunting but see some mosin's so HAD to look and i found 2. The 1 I first picked up looked odd, seen hex's in pics but ever with my eyes, and here is how it was labeled:
T in a triangle = Tikka from the id guide
5698
C
1927
Has the curved rear side, front blade and had copper? nails on the rear part of the top guard.
Then on the hex receiver running parallel with the side it said Deutschland on top of the Hex receiver and is $295 . The stock is nice and has the early style sling attachment that the Russian 91's had.
Last edited by Super Toaster; 12-01-2009 at 01:52 PM.
ok so looking on the 7.62x54r site it says the print on the receiver is a WW1 marking but the receiver clearly says 1927, maybe WW1 or pre WW1 capture and return? idk man I'm still too green to know what i seen
The RECEIVER is different from the barrel. Check the receiver date under the tang. It could be, and probably is, an antique M91 receiver rebuilt by the Finns using a new barrel at Tikka.
the only downside to having a father who never had the money for guns is he can't teach you the finer points (barrel, receiver and which part is which I'd would have looked it up if I knew the date was on a barrel not receiver) but she will feel at home with my m44 Tula.
Back to the rifle. Bore is dark but I'll clean 'till my arm comes off like a Lego dude's if that's what it takes, crossed fingers for no pits.
Wow! It looks like it is still in M91 configuration judging by the rear sight and it having a blade sight in front. It could have been captured by the Germans during WW2, which is why it would have been stamped with Deutschland and could have been used as a training rifle or something. Or there are another million possibilities. O wait, it has a tikka stamp on it. That is crazy cool! I wonder if it is more like an M27 barrel that was put on a receiver that the Germans sold to the Finnish? Is the stock a Finnish stock? does it have the finger splicing in the wood? What does the front blade look like? How much will you sell it for (just kidding) LOL!
I am going to have to change my Theory again! The receiver was probably captured by the Germans in WW1 and sold to the Finnish later on. Maybe as a whole rifle or as a part. Probably a whole rifle with the bore shot out or something. The Finnish then used this receiver and put a barrel from Tikka on it.
So, I think you have a Finnish M91 with a receiver that was captured by the Germans. I myself would have payed quite a bit more for it if I saw it. You can see it near the bottom of the link I posted to figure out which one it is. I would say you have found a very nice rifle!
Now we need more mosin porn and a range report!!! LOL!
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Now that is an interesting find! Congrats. This rifle would surely tell an interesting story if it could talk. But you would have to know Finnish, German and Russian
Well, what is highly likely that happened to this rifle, was it was acquired from Germany or the French based on the Deutschland stamp on the receiver flat. The eagle was never scrubbed either, which is pretty cool. There were Finnish bolsheviks in Finland that took over the tsarist regeime and they took what rifles they could from the imperial arsenal in Helsinki in November 1917 in tandem with the Russian revolution. There was civil war, but largely German trained Finns defeated the "reds". The whites were led by Baron Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim.
The early 1920s saw the formation of the Civil Guard (Suojeluskunta) which lasted until the end of WWII. The Finns were trying to standardize their military in the 1920s, so they acquired captured M91s from surrounding countries including many the French got surrendered to them from the Germans at the end of WWI amongst other countries: Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland, Italy, Germany, Austria and some large numbers purchased from Yugoslavia. But I don't know of any French marks on any Mosins so whether or not it was acquired from Germany or France may not be clear. But it certainly was German property at one time.
Your rear sights look like they have been "metricized" starting at 2 and moving up with 1/2 measurements on the 5 and 8 and is not configured in arshins anymore. Is your barrel stepped? Tikka produced roughly 10,000 M91 barrels from 1925-1927, 7000 unstepped, 3000 stepped. Interestingly enough, 1925 and 1926 had date stamps on the underside of the barrel. 1927 stamped them on the top. Your "C" stamp is the most common stamp of barrel diameter, but lists no actual bore diameter. Much good info here from Lapin's book, "The Mosin Nagant Rifle, 4th Edition Revised and Expanded" pgs. 106,7,8 if anyone has the book. HTH, and more pics!
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Last edited by Iron_Colonel; 12-01-2009 at 10:10 PM.
I'll post pic's tomorrow of the stock with and without barrel assembly BUT first things first the cosmo has to come off. First time cleaning cosmo off anything, I like the "sweet" smell of the cosmo on my other 4 Mosins stocks, this just smells like twice burnt sugar. I know where the post is to clean it so don't post a link out of habit. I wonder if there is any Dragoon in her.... nice thought but I still don't get all the different things that makes a Mosin a Dragoon, nice thought to have knocked out 3 of the Mosin wish list: Finnish, Pre-1900 and Dragoon. If not that's fine too, because this is getting FUN
I think it is Finnish, German, and was a Russian Dragoon that is now an ex Russian dragoon (not ex-dragoon) but also a Finnish M91. LOL!! The receiver is pre 1900 from the Tula factory as seen by that little marking under the receiver. The barrel is a 1927 Tikka and not a Tula.
So, you SEEM to have a pre 1900 Tula reciever, captured by the Germans in WW1, possibly ended up in French hands or not, and was sold the the Finnish to be matted with a 1927 Tikka barrel to be configured as a finnish M91 which could have fought the Russians during the Winter war and/or the continuation war.
Or, because you haven't shown us the stock, it could be an M27 that could have fought in either or both wars as well. In that case, you would have basically stole it as M27's are very hard to find and would cost quite a bit more than what you paid. But, whenever you get a chance, lets see this rifle fully assembled with various views. I am also curious if it has a little [SA] stamp somewhere on the barrel?
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the only downside to having a father who never had the money for guns is he can't teach you the finer points (barrel, receiver and which part is which I'd would have looked it up if I knew the date was on a barrel not receiver) but she will feel at home with my m44 Tula. 
LOL!
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