Old 12-03-2009, 10:27 PM   #1
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.40 or .45 hi point?

I was looking in my local gun store. I saw nice pistols $400+. Then I noticed a price tag listed at $193.

The salesman came over. He offered to help me. I said: "does that pistol have a correct price tag?" He told me that he owned one of those Hi Points. He explained that he tried to make it jam. He fired HP, FMJ, SJHP, etc. And, it never gave him a problem. He summarized, saying that he loves it, but it sure is ugly.

I thought that it looked nice. I don't care about beauty in a gun, just practicality.

They had .45 and .40 hi point pistols. The salesman recommended the .45 because of its slower velocity (no over-penetration). But, I researched and found that .40 SW were cheaper.

To make a long story slightly shorter... do all the wise people out there recommend the hi point? And, if so, would you recommend the .40 or .45?

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Old 12-03-2009, 10:29 PM   #2
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Buy one of each they are cheap enough.
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:49 PM   #3
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.40, save your money and buy a 1911 for a .45!
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Old 12-03-2009, 11:21 PM   #4
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A hi point is basically the same design as a 1911. Same principles... I don't know a modern handgun that isn't a "rip off" of the original 1911 design.

I can buy a classic 1911 for $300 to $3000.

Is it like saying... "don't buy an AK-47, save your money to buy a M-16."?

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Old 12-04-2009, 12:02 AM   #5
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A hi point is basically the same design as a 1911. Same principles... I don't know a modern handgun that isn't a "rip off" of the original 1911 design.

I can buy a classic 1911 for $300 to $3000.

Is it like saying... "don't buy an AK-47, save your money to buy a M-16."?

CS

Sorry. HiPoints are not the same principle as the 1911.

While it is true that most guns use the Browning Locked Breech or modified BLB system, there are few if any that are comparable to the 1911 in its system design.
Where the action is concerned 1911s are Browning Locked Breech. The barrel tilts as the slide moves back.
1911 is a hammer fired, single action system.

ALL HiPoints are Strait BlowBack action, The barrel is mounted to the frame and does not move. The recoil springs on many SBB action pistols are actually around the barrel rather than around a guide rod that sets bellow the tilting BLB action.
All HPs are striker fired, don't know if they are considered DA or SA. I suspect they are considered SA though.

If you have ever fired a 1911 and fired a HP45acp you will know that these HPs were not designed around the 1911 in any way shape or form.

As for the model you should buy. Before you buy consider a few things.
1. Primarily ammo costs in your area.
What is the cost of a box of 45, 40, and 9mm.
If your area is like mine. 9mm is by far the least expensive. Here in SaintLouisMo
the cheap WWB is 23.00 for 40SW, 21.00 for 45acp, and 9.00 for 9mm.
If you want to buy one of these and actually be able to afford to shoot it. Consider them prices in your area.
2. How larger are your hands. if you have small hands, anything larger the the C9, HP9mm will a hand full.
If you have large hands then the 40 and 45 will be fine.
3. Know that all HP pistols have a definite brake in period. Most are between 300 and 500 rounds. My C9 was 250 rounds. You will also want to load the mag as full as you can and let it set for about 2 weeks to brake the mag spring in, otherwise you will run in to feeding problems because of the stiff spring.
4. HP has one of the best warranties in the business. Anything goes wrong with your pistol. HP will fix it. There have been some extreme things happen to HPs in the past and HP fixes them no questions asked. SO if you do buy one. Know that HP will always take care of it.
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:04 AM   #6
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A hi point is basically the same design as a 1911. Same principles... I don't know a modern handgun that isn't a "rip off" of the original 1911 design.

I can buy a classic 1911 for $300 to $3000.

Is it like saying... "don't buy an AK-47, save your money to buy a M-16."?

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$300 1911?? where?!
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:14 AM   #7
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Low dollar 1911. Best ones IMHO are, Armscor, RockIsland (made by Armscor) and FireStorm 1911s made by MetroArms Metro Arms American Classic II 1911 Pistol

RockIsland are nice. And if 45acp weren't so hi in my are I would be jumping on one of the FireStorm Delux 1911s
Here is a write up on them. Firestorm and American Classic II Government Deluxe Model 1911 .45 ACP Auto Pistol
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:20 AM   #8
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Thanks Freedom.

The .40 and .45 fit my hands well.

.40 S&W are much cheaper than .45 acp around here.

The salesman (whom I respect), suggested the .45 for home defense.
I found some 180 grain .40's that have a slower velocity comparable to .45's though. His point was to avoid over-penetration with a slower bullet. So, I think I'll go with the .40.

Once again, I lean on the more experienced.

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Old 12-04-2009, 10:15 PM   #9
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Personally I'd say stay away from High Point but if you must buy one get the .40 or even the 9MM to start for cheaper ammo. Chances are you'll upgrade to a better gun as most people do. They buy the .45 when you get the better quality brand. Another cheap alternative is a Taurus. More than a High Point but a fine gun. Witness is another low cost but good bun. Kel-Tec if a 9MM is of interest. There are many low cost guns that are great guns if you do some research.
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Old 12-05-2009, 06:24 AM   #10
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Hi-Points do work, and seem to shoot well for most owners. Around here, factory .40SW is available at most vendors, but .45ACP is very scarce.
Another con to the Hi-Point - besides it being butt-ugly - is it's massive slide - it's not really a good choice for CCW.
As a truck or boat gun, yeah, it's perfect!
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:13 PM   #11
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Thanks all.

The .40 S&W ammo around here is $16 and up for 50 rounds. .45 is about $24 and up.

I had to buy the .40 hi point. It was only $169, plus 50 rounds, and tax, it was $204.

The slide is very large making it impractical for carry. But, it's nice for a truck or nightstand gun.

I've heard nothing but fantastic things about their customer service.

For the price, it serves my purposes.

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Old 12-13-2009, 11:58 AM   #12
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Please see my review in the thread I posted after shooting my brother's C9.

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/hi-...-thoughts.html
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:23 PM   #13
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I just got one in .40 and i love it IMO .40 is the perfect handgun caliber.
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:35 PM   #14
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I tried the .40
I'll stick with .45 from now on.
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Old 12-19-2009, 09:05 PM   #15
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I have a the 9mm for years and yet it serves it purpose Ugly yes, works yes .

I got my 100.00 worth and then some.
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Old 04-11-2010, 05:25 PM   #16
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i own a 45 pistol and 9mm pistol and 9 carbine theyre ugly but super accurate andcheap, i recconmend the 45
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