Old 12-07-2009, 09:18 PM   #1
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The U.S. Constitution Adeist or Christian Document?

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Old 12-07-2009, 10:16 PM   #2
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You mean a Deist? or Christian right? Just clarifying because you have adeist is all.

And my opinion, it was drawn up by Christians. The document itself is just that, a document..But my opinion is those who drafted it were definitely religious and would have considered themselves Christians. Although I believe one, I think Hancock, was an Atheist? If not him I don't know who but I know one, maybe two indeed were.
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:17 PM   #3
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Christian document. ALL evidence points in that direction.
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:18 PM   #4
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Well,

one can argue many days on this subject. Most of the movers and shakers at the Second Continental Congress were deists but they chose the Christian George Washington to be the general.

In the very early 1800's deism pretty much vanished except, of course, for the diehard Thomas Jefferson.

Deism and Christianity in early America is a fascinating subject. The big question - would Christians have had a revolution? I don't know.
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Old 12-08-2009, 02:24 AM   #5
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I don't get involved in great oratories that try to explain the self explanitory.Many try to re-write the bill of rights,I just try to live it.(and believe in it) ,,,sam.
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:44 AM   #6
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The U.S. Constitution A deist or Christian Document?

Kind of a dumb question, if you ask me.

Simple answer.

Read the founding papers.

The Declaration of Independence was the promise;
The Constitution of the United States of America, was the fulfillment!


ANYONE, who wants to argue the facts.
Needs only, to read the First & Last paragraphs of

The Declaration of Independence!!

Now I know, there are folks who deny the facts.
But this country, was founded on Judeo Christian beliefs.

Look above the doors of the Supreme Court.
You will find the Ten Commandments.

These were "The law" given to Moses, by God.

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Old 12-08-2009, 04:23 AM   #7
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I had to google "Deist" to even know what it was....I am not impressed.

As far as I can tell...Deists are sort of like Christians who don't believe in Christ or miracles, or Divine intervention in human affairs.

I know they can't be "like Christians" because they don't believe in Jesus...but it seems they are closer to Christianity then say Judaism.



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Old 12-08-2009, 06:41 AM   #8
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The snake is always close to the hen house, as the wolves are near the lamb. A spy in every camp.
I firmly believe it is inspired of God. You can look around at all its enemies today, the Deists. They constantly try to destroy it. You will know them by their deeds.
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Old 12-08-2009, 07:29 AM   #9
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Deist definitions

Well, deists came in two groups. One simply stated Jesus never existed. The other stated Jesus lived but was a great moral teacher without divine
powers.

Deists believed in a God who put us on earth with intellectual advantages over the animals. Our condition is to invent and develop to "fight it out" on our own. That becomes the basis of the question if Christians would have had an American revolution. Deists certainly and especially at the Second Continental Congress saw it as their job or duty to start and manage a revolution.
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Old 12-08-2009, 10:48 AM   #10
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I'm not sure it really matters... These men wheter diests or Christians created the most perfect documents (second only to the Bible) ever created by mens hands. They knew that wheter you were a diest, Christian, Jew or whatever that certain rights are not given by men but rather endowed by their Creator. It doesn't really matter what name you give the creator or how you worship him, it only matters that these rights are given to us by Him and man has no right to take them away.
Many of our Forefathers were Freemasons and it is evident in the founding documents they made. The beliefs and teachings of Masonry are in perfect alignment with our Constitution and Declaration of Independance. This may cause me to catch a lot of flak but this country is a grand Masonic experiment!! And a very sucessful one at that!!
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Old 12-08-2009, 11:08 AM   #11
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You will know them by their deeds.
Well stated indeed, Deersniper....I would say more of the latter.

Our Founding Fathers were wise, in the fact, that they understood the importance of religion regarding social morals, but likewise the danger of it as a state policy...
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There is considerable evidence to support the idea that many of the founding fathers were Masons and that Masonic ideals were incorporated into much of what they did. There is no lack of disagreement between Masons and Catholics, which group is the basis for all the other Christian denominations, who recognize the fact when they refer to their collective selves as "Protestants". So, where do the Masons fit into the Deist/Christian argument?
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The best way, that I can describe a true "Deist".
Would be "primal man".
Which, I do have RESPECT for.
Someone, who has not heard the gospel, or about religion.
Let it be Indians, Mayans, Aboriginals ETC.

Since primal man/woman first walked on earth.
They have been smart enough, to know deep in their souls.
That "SOMETHING", greater than themselves.
Created earth, and mankind.

Unlike Darwinism/evolutionism, which says.
Mankind, started from absolutly nothing.
And evolved, into one of the most complicated "living" things on earth!
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There is considerable evidence to support the idea that many of the founding fathers were Masons and that Masonic ideals were incorporated into much of what they did. There is no lack of disagreement between Masons and Catholics, which group is the basis for all the other Christian denominations, who recognize the fact when they refer to their collective selves as "Protestants". So, where do the Masons fit into the Deist/Christian argument?
Masons are often misunderstood on many things but religion is probably the most common. The most important requirement to become a Mason is that you believe in God. The lodge will never ask you any more detail. We don't care about how you think you get saved, go to heaven or whatever.

I guess the short answer to your question is that Christians and deist can be Masons. As I understand them, deist believe in the God of Creation and that would certainly qualify them on that point.
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