Old 12-09-2009, 02:01 PM   #1
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police band scanners

do any of you have/use one? do you have an recommendations for a handheld version? It seems like it would be a good addition to a preparedness kit.

radio shack seems to have a load of different ones, but they all have conflicting reviews.
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Old 12-09-2009, 02:59 PM   #2
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Save your Money... All agencies are going Digital LMR and are not able to be Monitored anymore.
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Old 12-09-2009, 03:00 PM   #3
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Most public safety agencies which haven't already will soon be changing to APCO25 compliant digital trunking radios for voice, data and imaging in the 700 and 800 MHz bands. The old VHF and UHF analog FM public safety bands will be going away except for data and imaging purposes, and you will hear nothing but computer packet noise on those freqs. You probably won't find a handheld scanner to receive the new public safety bands at Radio Shack. There are professional desktop and mobile models if you have big bucks and know which groups of frequencies to program in the talk groups, to enable you to use a computer interface to follow traffic which isn't encrpyted, but most public safety systems use at least voice inversion, whereas the majority of equipment being bought under Homeland Security Preparedness Grants will meet Defense Encryption Standard or higher.

http://www.fcc.gov/pshs/public-safet...iguration.html
http://www.uniden.com/pdf/BC796Dom.pdf.
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Old 12-10-2009, 04:35 AM   #4
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Yea all the new stuff is dual band encrypted stuff to meet new DHS and Joint Emergency Managment requirements so that everyone can communicate on the same page regardless of who or where their jurisdiction is.
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Old 12-10-2009, 05:11 AM   #5
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Weve always had a police scanner and like Mooseman said some departments are going digital.
My son ordered a digital radio so I can't wait to check it out.
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Old 12-10-2009, 07:26 AM   #6
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Since the British police went digital some time ago, the bad guys find the cheapest police scanner option now is to just steal a police car or policeman, complete with radios.
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Since the British police went digital some time ago, the bad guys find the cheapest police scanner option now is to just steal a police car or policeman, complete with radios.
That reads like a two birds with one stone,...

...win/win, situation.

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Old 12-10-2009, 10:15 AM   #8
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Save your Money... All agencies are going Digital LMR and are not able to be Monitored anymore.
They're already in my neck of the woods...

...and the listen in folks are working hard to find a work around.
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Old 12-13-2009, 07:59 PM   #9
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Smile Digital Diversity of APCO

pinch more info scanner are available; and up grades to some of the old ones too


Digital Simulcasting
As the new APCO-25 scanners make their way into hobbyist's hands, there are reports that they don't work correctly while monitoring some simulcast systems. (Simulcast just means that the same information is transmitted from more than one repeater at the same time, allowing users across a wide geographic area to all hear the same messages.) The symptoms are mainly the inability hear an entire transmission. The first second or two of voice is heard, which then trails off to silence.
To add to your list of acronyms, there is another type of modulation scheme that's used with some multi-site Project 25 systems. Linear Simulcast Modulation (LSM) is a trademarked term for a form of CQPSK that provides a way for receivers to properly handle multiple identical transmissions. It's just different enough that the regular C4FM processing doesn't work correctly.
Because no Phase II systems are currently in operation, the developers at Uniden and GRE didn't expect an immediate need to handle this type of modulation. However, several municipalities are using LSM/CQPSK modulation for simulcast, including Phoenix and Mesa in Arizona; the greater Twin Cities area of Minnesota; Hamilton County in southwest Ohio; and Austin and Travis County in Texas.
If you live near any of these areas, or monitor systems that are "pure" APCO-25 with simulcasting, you may want to wait until Radio Shack has an upgrade for the PRO-96. As described in the August Tracking the Trunks column, the Radio Shack PRO-96 (built by GRE) was designed to accept updates to the "DSP Application" portion of the scanner through the use of flash upgrades. This kind of flexibility allows production problems and bugs to be corrected without the need to buy a new scanner or replace circuit boards. In this case, an upgrade can also add new features and capabilities.
Radio Shack is expected to provide a firmware update that will give the scanner the ability to process LSM transmissions. As of this writing there's no release date for such an update, or whether there will be a cost involved. There may be a way to have the upgrade done at your local Radio Shack store, or to download the upgrade from Radio Shack's web site. We'll keep you posted as we get more details.
No word yet from Uniden on a fix for their scanners, although they have a new pair of scanners in the works to compete with the PRO-96.
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