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Old 12-27-2009, 01:56 AM   #1
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Crimp ? regarding my revolver and LEE Crimp Dies

I bought the LEE Carbide Pistol Dies Cabela's -- Lee Carbide Pistol Dies some time ago for my 357 and realized I could roll crimp with the set, is that true? It looks like a crimp rolled into the lead to me...while not rolled in too much. I have ready that buying a factory crimp die Cabela's -- Lee Pistol Crimp Dies - Pistol would help with accuracy and also help keep my bullets from backing out. So I bought one. When I read the little pamphlet that came with the factory crimp die, there is a section that read, "Revolver cartridges are crimped with a beautiful, uniform roll crimp..." Well, why purchase a factory crimp die for my 357 (revolver) when the set of dies I have already seem to give a roll crimp? Am I doing something wrong with the dies or misunderstanding something?
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:40 AM   #2
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I use my Lee dies to put a light crimp on my .38 Special and .357 Magnum loads - works fine. The Factory Crimp Die is great for rifle cases, but I simply don't see the need for pistol cases.
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Old 12-27-2009, 09:36 AM   #3
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Yes, the bullet seating die will put in a roll crimp when properly set.

That said, I still prefer to crimp with the Lee FCD as it also does a final sizing in case the crimp causes a little bullet bulge. The regular sizer doe does not.
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Old 12-27-2009, 09:41 AM   #4
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The lighter the crimp the better as long as powder is burning right and bullet isn't setting back or going ahead to lock cylinder.It depends on how soft the bullet is a lot.I've never had much trouble using the seater die and not using the factory crimp. ,,,sam.
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:29 AM   #5
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Yeah, I was just wondering if the FCD was worth it. For $17 and being right next to a Cabelas for the next week, I could take it back for something else. So, is the only real difference, then, that the FCD resizes as the case is coming back out? It doesn't seem like a big deal to me seeing as how they both are roll crimpers. So long as I don't over crimp...right?
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Old 12-27-2009, 02:20 PM   #6
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Yeah, I was just wondering if the FCD was worth it. For $17 and being right next to a Cabelas for the next week, I could take it back for something else. So, is the only real difference, then, that the FCD resizes as the case is coming back out? It doesn't seem like a big deal to me seeing as how they both are roll crimpers. So long as I don't over crimp...right?
As to your original question: Yes, the Lee Dies will do a crimp when properly set.

As to this question: the Lee Factory Crimp Die is useful for adding an additional crimp that reduces the possibility of the bullets moving forward from their seated position, due to recoil.

I would keep the LFC Die.
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Old 12-27-2009, 02:20 PM   #7
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Crimp

I used to gauge all my rounds after reloading and have found that the FCD die gave a more uniform size to the loaded cartridge. Since using the FCD die, I rarely find a round that doesn't gauge and I only gauge ammo for competition.
The other advantage of having a separate seater then crimp step is that it is easier to adjust the seating depth when you don't have to adjust the crimp at the same time.
On the other hand, you can produce perfectly satisfactory ammo with the basic Lee die set.
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Old 12-27-2009, 03:25 PM   #8
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So when all is said and done then, the FCD has a better, more even crimp than using the crimp of the bullet seater...?
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Old 12-27-2009, 04:37 PM   #9
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I think so.
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:28 PM   #10
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It is normal that crimpers for pistols will be taper, crimpers for revolvers will be roll.
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:06 PM   #11
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It is normal that crimpers for pistols will be taper, crimpers for revolvers will be roll.
So does the same LEE FCD crimp different for a revolver round vs. a SA pistol round? Seems kinda odd to me.
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:38 PM   #12
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So does the same LEE FCD crimp different for a revolver round vs. a SA pistol round? Seems kinda odd to me.
They do. My LFCD for my 45 long colt puts a stab crimp on, and the LFCD for my 45ACP ammo puts on a taper crimp.
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:49 PM   #13
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They do. My LFCD for my 45 long colt puts a stab crimp on, and the LFCD for my 45ACP ammo puts on a taper crimp.
Very interesting...so, I suppose I will go ahead and keep the FCD if ya'll says so. And by the way, it's a 357 Service Six and I am a horrible shot...I am hoping that my lack of use of a FCD may be a least a partial contributor.
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:57 PM   #14
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The LFCD's are the catz azz. It doesn't matter if all your cases are exactly uniform because it crimps the same everytime.

Here's what a stab crimp looks like in the LFCD used for revolver rounds and rifle ammunition. Keep in mind the LFCD's for rifle rounds are open topped.
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:11 PM   #15
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Quote:       Originally Posted by tmanbuckhunter View Post
The LFCD's are the catz azz. It doesn't matter if all your cases are exactly uniform because it crimps the same everytime.

Here's what a stab crimp looks like in the LFCD used for revolver rounds and rifle ammunition. Keep in mind the LFCD's for rifle rounds are open topped.

Huh? I've been reloading for about 25 years, and the only thing I have ever heard called stab crimping is for primers. This is a "stab crimp"

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Old 12-27-2009, 08:13 PM   #16
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Nope, you're right I guess. Here's the crimps.:



Crimp Types--L to R: No crimp, stab crimp, taper crimp, roll crimp
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Nope, you're right I guess. Here's the crimps.:



Crimp Types--L to R: No crimp, stab crimp, taper crimp, roll crimp
No offense taken Ganny.
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:57 PM   #18
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Like I said, been reloading a while, and never heard of a bullet stab crimp.

Just proves you NEVER know everything there is to know about reloading.
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Old 12-27-2009, 11:16 PM   #19
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The LFCD's are the catz azz. It doesn't matter if all your cases are exactly uniform because it crimps the same everytime.

Here's what a stab crimp looks like in the LFCD used for revolver rounds and rifle ammunition. Keep in mind the LFCD's for rifle rounds are open topped.
Yeah, that's what it looks like for my rifle rounds, but the seating die that came with my kit, roll crimps. The LFCD says nothing about a stab crimp, but only the roll crimp for the revolver.
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Old 12-27-2009, 11:35 PM   #20
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I would think that "stab"crimp is rough on casings.Not good. ,,,sam.
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