Sorry to hear about the trouble, but you'll be 21, soon, so don't sweat it. When I went into the service, at 17, the only thing I could do, was go to war. I couldn't vote, or own guns, or go to a bar, but I could go and kill folks for the US of A!
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Well It looks like I found a legal way to obtain my RIFLE. I contacted the ATF and my FFL dealer and they both said that if I ordered an upper, had the FFL put the whole thing together to make a full rifle out of it, then I could buy it. I am sure I will have to pay the federal tax on it but it is really no big deal. I would wait but I am seriously concerned that the gun shop might forget that it is mine and already paid for and they might sell it or charge me for it, who knows. At least I will have my RIFLE!!!!
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ANd Cremley...That Makes No sense at all , since the Lower is the ONLY THING considered to be a Firearm BY BATFE Definition...With a fixed stock , It should have been logged as a Rifle , since it is NOT a stripped receiver !!!
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Originally Posted by Mooseman684
ANd Cremley...That Makes No sense at all , since the Lower is the ONLY THING considered to be a Firearm BY BATFE Definition...With a fixed stock , It should have been logged as a Rifle , since it is NOT a stripped receiver !!!
Yea, that is what I told the ATF GUY!! And he said "No, the whole bottom piece is considered a "firearm" and you can't buy it unless you are 21." Me-"Uhh, ok? I can buy a firearm at 18 though." ATF-"But a lower assembly can be converted to be used for a pistol, so you have to be 21." Me-"even if it is fully assembled and has a buttstock attached?" ATF-"yes. Let me check on that and give you a call back."
Overall, I am still very confused. These laws have so much horse chit in them that not even the ATF guy fully understands them. I would have to hire a lawyer just to be able to understand what it means. Basically, I told him that I will get an upper, have the FFL install it, and then it would be classified as a rifle. He said I could do this. This is completely and utterly stupid though, because it does not regulate anything. I would have a lower assembly, with an upper attached, which is what I would have had almost immediately after I bought it. And either way, If I was dumb enough, a criminal, and somehow found a pistol upper, then it is one pin to replace the uppers. So what is the point of not selling it to me in the first place?
My full intent is to use this as a rifle and no other. I am not 21 yet, so how would I buy a pistol upper in the first place? It is beyond me how some of these laws get written with "double standards".
And like you said moose, it is probably already in a condition to be sold as a rifle, so why was it denied by the BATFE?
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