Old 03-12-2010, 06:38 PM   #1
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The Green Zone movie - anti-American...

I actually said this after seeing the first preview a couple of months ago in the theater. It shouldn't surprise anyone that Matt Daman is involved in a movie that paints the U.S. as the badguy. MOST of his large budget action films have been such. All of the "Bourne" movies were that way, which was in direct conflict with the books by Robert Ludlum, and of course that spy thriller he put out last year that I don't even remember the title of... Anyway, here's the review and article...

FOXNews.com - Critics Decry Matt Damon Movie 'The Green Zone,' Calling It 'Anti-American'
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Old 03-12-2010, 08:30 PM   #2
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Look at the main actor in it. Matt Damon is a friggin' hypocrite and this will be yet another movie I will not watch let alone pay my hard earned money to watch!!!
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Old 03-12-2010, 08:40 PM   #3
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Somebody needs to whip his azz !!!
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Old 03-12-2010, 09:53 PM   #4
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It's amazing to me how these stupid multi-million dollar actors who owe all of their success to this great country are the first ones to bi**h and whine about how "evil" America is!! Bunch of freakin losers!!!
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Old 03-12-2010, 10:49 PM   #5
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It depends on your point of view. The movie was clearly anti-American government and questioned one of the government's largest pretenses of going to War ("weapons of mass destruction"), but it wasn't "anti-American". Unless it's "American" to not question authority, take the initative and go against the grain. However, I believe the opposite is true. The character in the film was duped and tried to get to the bottom of a conspiracy.

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Quote:       Originally Posted by Spike 7.62 View Post
It depends on your point of view. The movie was clearly anti-American government and questioned one of the government's largest pretenses of going to War ("weapons of mass destruction"), but it wasn't "anti-American". Unless it's "American" to not question authority, take the initative and go against the grain. However, I believe the opposite is true. The character in the film was duped and tried to get to the bottom of a conspiracy.

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Too bad we didn't make the mistake of invading Germany on the pretense of Weapons of Mass Destruction in 1939...just a thought, not trying to change directions here.

Like you say, it's a point of view...it can be spun in a number of different ways. I don't personally think Matt Damon is a hypocrite. I've seen all the Bourne movies and saw nothing but a fictional rouge government agency...it was entertaining...its Hollywood stuff. As long as it stays in that domain it's no skin off my back. Now if you want to talk about someone who needs an ass whooping...start a thread on Sean Penn.
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Old 03-13-2010, 12:46 AM   #7
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This movie is basically "Jason Bourne does Iraq" just like the review article mentions. All the characters were fictional, so it shouldn't be skin off anyones back. The topic of government-gone-wrong is hardly fiction, and distrust of government of part of American culture.

The US certainly had no reason to invade Germany in 1939. They declared war on us in 1941 and invited their own demise.

As for Matt Damon, I don't know or care about anything having to do with him besides his movies. His "out of theatre" behavior is of no concern to me.

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This movie is basically "Jason Bourne does Iraq" just like the review article mentions. All the characters were fictional, so it shouldn't be skin off anyones back. The topic of government-gone-wrong is hardly fiction, and distrust of government of part of American culture.

The US certainly had no reason to invade Germany in 1939. They declared war on us in 1941 and invited their own demise.

As for Matt Damon, I don't know or care about anything having to do with him besides his movies. His "out of theatre" behavior is of no concern to me.

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I agree, and again not trying to start a fight with others...but it's the very fact that controversial movies are allowed to be produced without government retribution that reinforces the first amendment. When the day comes that we don't have a movie or an actor to bitch about...well, then something will be amiss. As for myself, the only person exercising there 1st amendment rights that turns my stomach is Micheal Moore...but that's tough sh#t for me because he has every right...same as I do,
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Sometimes I come off a little strong, I didn't mean to sound like I was fighting, and if I did, I apologize. I do love a rich conversation though

Ah, Michael Moore... everytime I think of him, I think of the scene in Team America and smile.

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The US certainly had no reason to invade Germany in 1939. They declared war on us in 1941 and invited their own demise.


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True...and that's my point...had we done it, 6 million Jews might not have been led to their demise. I guess we'll never know what might have not happened had we not invaded Iraq.
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Sometimes I come off a little strong, I didn't mean to sound like I was fighting, and if I did, I apologize. I do love a rich conversation though

Ah, Michael Moore... everytime I think of him, I think of the scene in Team America and smile.

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No need for apologies...the whole point of this forum is to foster discussion.
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I agree, and again not trying to start a fight with others...but it's the very fact that controversial movies are allowed to be produced without government retribution that reinforces the first amendment. When the day comes that we don't have a movie or an actor to bitch about...well, then something will be amiss. As for myself, the only person exercising there 1st amendment rights that turns my stomach is Micheal Moore...but that's tough sh#t for me because he has every right...same as I do,
well put.
granted sometimes i would like to strangle some of these kids these days because they dont think for themselves.
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True...and that's my point...had we done it, 6 million Jews might not have been led to their demise. I guess we'll never know what might have not happened had we not invaded Iraq.
We'd have gotten our collective butts kicked. Our military was in sad shape in 1939. Doing the Lend Lease thing and cranking up manufacturing to support Britain and Russia was a necessary step before going in later.

Hey, a movie is just a movie. It's a vehicle to present the writer/producer's ideas, and to showcase the top actors. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Same as with Playboy - if you don't like pics of nekkid wimmen, don't open the mag!
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Don't get me wrong, it may be a well made, well shot, well produced movie. I do like Matt Daman's acting ability and even enjoyed alot of his movies. But, there is always a bias in them against the U.S. I will probably watch Green Zone just so I can judge for myself. I just get very tired of every time I go see a thriller or war film in the last 20 years, the badguys, the man behind the curtain always turns out to be America.

Perhaps I pay too close attention to these details in my entertainment... lol Its everywhere, Movies, TV, even music. And for all of their attempts and postulation and insinuation, there has never been any evidence to support the belief that the U.S. made up the whole thing in order to invade Iraq. The weapons WERE there.... and removed over the 18 months of "talking" before we actually invaded. Much of this was proven by other countries' intelligence agencies.

Anyway, it also irked me during the Oscars when Colin Ferrel was talking up the guy from Hurt Locker, saying it was so impressive how he just played it down the middle instead of playing the character left or right, etc. That was just plain stupid. Being a lefty is so prevalent that actors actually have to congratulate each other on their ability to hide it in their character for a film.. LoL sickening.

By the way, the Hurt Locker wasn't that great of a movie. After I saw it, I never would have assumed it was capable of winning the best picture oscar. I think they did it so the first woman could win for a film. I would consider it just another basic, unrealistic, fictional war picture with nothing remarkable about it. In fact, the errors in it were so profound that it distracted me from enjoying it. But, it was a decent movie overall, but certainly not oscar worthy.
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:47 PM   #15
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...the Hurt Locker wasn't that great of a movie. After I saw it, I never would have assumed it was capable of winning the best picture oscar. I think they did it so the first woman could win for a film. I would consider it just another basic, unrealistic, fictional war picture with nothing remarkable about it. In fact, the errors in it were so profound that it distracted me from enjoying it. But, it was a decent movie overall, but certainly not oscar worthy.
I thought the same thing. I couldn't figure it out when I heard it had won, but then I didn't see the other movies that it was up against.
I'll wait till The Green Zone is out on dvd and get it from Netflix. That way I can turn it off in the middle if it irks me, and won't have wasted any money.
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Look at Tom Hanks new HBO mini-series "The Pacific".

Where he says we wanted to annihilate the Japanese because they were different. Someone needs to tell him, and others and remind them that Japan ATTACKED US FIRST, WITHOUT PROVOCATION! We only retaliated with MIGHT AND FORCE!
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I guess he just doesn't believe that the best defense is an overwhelming offense. They reaped what they sowed.
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