03-18-2010, 10:31 PM
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#41 | | Firearm Aficionado
Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Between Homer, Alaska and Wrington, Somerset, England. (Toledo, Ohio... a long way from where I want to be)
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Hello
I'm not sure if I'm a "gun snob"?, I really don't have that large of a collection at this point in time. I do know that I tend to gravitate towards certain firearms than towards others. I tend to like older firearms that are made of blued steel and have wood stocks/grips (other than my Webley & Scott Mk.IV .38in Revolver, which has Bakelite grips) as opposed to the newer "tactical" dull finish and plastic stocks/grips, etc.
I tend to like bolt action rifles and not impressed with the newer M-16 "styled" rifles that have the rear sight chopped off and replaced with a scope, have flashlights bolted to the handguards, lasers mounted on them, etc. One of these days I would not mind having an M-16A2 (Civvie Legal Version of course, and without any of the new "add-ons I see on M-16s these days) just because that was the service rifle when I was in the Service. But that will be many years away from now.
Being third generation English/American I tend to like British made firearms like the Lee-Enfield and Martini-Henry Rifles and Webley & Scott Revolvers. I have three WWII Lee-Enfield rifles, I hope to find a Victorian era "Long" Lee-Metford/Enfield as well someday. I also hope to find another Martini-Henry to keep the Mk.II I do have company, and/or find a Martini-Metford/Enfield in .303" calibre, so I can actually afford to fire it LOL.
I also like older S&W Revolvers, I have a WWII British version of the "Victory Model" revolver and a newer (1966-1967 era) Model 10-5 revolver. When I can afford to buy more I'd love to find an older (pre-WWII) M&P and .38/44 Heavy Duty Revolver.
There are times I think I'm the only person in the World who does not like the SKS, AK-47 and the Mosin-Nagant Rifle. I guess I just tend to like other things, not sure if that makes me a snob LOL.
Thanks
Mark
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03-18-2010, 11:03 PM
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#42 | | Firearm Aficionado
Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Paintsville Kentucky
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I like my walmart guns.
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03-18-2010, 11:12 PM
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#43 | | Resident Curmudgeon
Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York
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Originally Posted by tokarevstress  | yeah I thought it was pretty cool when I put the clip in the floor plate broke and spring and bullets went flying then I thought it was cool how I researched a new mag for weeks then ended up buying one for a third of the price of the gun at the last gunshow .
How do you insert emoticons? angry face here. | One reason I don't buy guns at a particular gun shop around here is that once when I needed a second magazine for my Llama Model IX-A (a near clone of the M1911A1) for the pistol qualification at my gun club, the owner sold me a competition magazine for $45. You can guess how irked I was when I discovered a week later that the military surplus US GI magazine still in the military wrapping I bought for $8 at another gun shop not only fit better but functioned better, too! Believe me, I know how you feel, tok.
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03-18-2010, 11:24 PM
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#44 | | Resident Curmudgeon
Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York
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Originally Posted by TomcatPC | Being third generation English/American, I tend to like British made firearms like the Lee-Enfield and Martini-Henry Rifles and Webley & Scott Revolvers. I have three WWII Lee-Enfield rifles, I hope to find a Victorian era "Long" Lee-Metford/Enfield as well someday. I also hope to find another Martini-Henry to keep the Mk.II I do have company, and/or find a Martini-Metford/Enfield in .303" calibre, so I can actually afford to fire it LOL.
Mark | I guess it depends on what you consider "reasonably priced," Mark. Here's the latest from Southern Ohio Gun.
They have an assortment of Long-Lees by an assortment of makers. Low price is $425; high price is $550. Price is a combination of manufacturer and bore condition as far as I can tell.
They also have a bunch of pre-1898 Martini-Henrys for $260 each. However, they would require you load your own blackpowder .303 cartridges, unless you know of a source for blackpowder .303 British ammo.
They also have a few pre-1898 Martinis in .457 for $395, if those whet your appetite.
You might want to give them a call and see if you can make a deal, especially if you have a C&R license.
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03-19-2010, 12:05 AM
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#45 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mounds Ok
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Originally Posted by ACfixer You ARE joking aren't you Paul?  | No, I watched him do it.
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03-19-2010, 12:10 AM
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#46 | | Banned
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Originally Posted by cheapblaster | Heck no, I'm the guy with the beat up milsurp. | Amen to that, brother. I like it when people talk smack when I'm shooting grandma's "Saturday Night Special" .25ACP pistol.
They come out there with their $600 Glocks, and laugh at me when I pull out my $60 "Tiger" Baretta knock-off .25 pistol...until we get to the firing line.
I tell 'em to pick a distance, if they want to make an issue of it. They typically want to go "practical" with it, and shoot from ten yards...at which point, I tell 'em we're shooting "rapid".
Most of these G.I.Joe wanna-bes are doing good to hit center mass...while I'm unloading headshots repeatedly.
The bet I always make, of course, is "loser picks up the brass"...even though it's not required at my club, you can't welch on a bet. It's funny to talk smack when they're bending over to pick up those little cases.
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03-19-2010, 12:10 AM
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#47 | | Firearm Enthusiast
Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: montana
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Originally Posted by Dragunov Do you have that on video?  | I could break out the video camera and reenact it for you 
I dont know if I could capture the emotion of the first time around though
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03-19-2010, 12:15 AM
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#48 | | Banned
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Originally Posted by thebigitch62 | I think there are more gun snobs around than we think. if you included caliber snobs. I have a little of that myself. I also witnessed a man trying to sight in new rifle at the range. He put more than three boxes through that poor rifle in 15 minutes. I could see the heat rising off it from 10 feet away. I'm no expert or metallurgist, but I wouldn't want that done to any of my rilfes. | To that, I would simply say, "depends on the rifle".
Three boxes equates to sixty rounds...or, with my AR, two full magazines.
When properly set up to fire in full-auto mode, they are capable (as per design) of shooting 600+ rounds per minute. That equates to ten rounds per second.
60 rounds in 15 minutes?
Do that with grandpa's old Winchester, and you're doing it wrong. Do it with your new carbine, and it's called "breaking it in"...
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03-19-2010, 12:27 AM
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#49 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mounds Ok
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Gun snobbs or caliber snobbs or even half way intelligent people with too much machismo to ask for help. Man what is this nation coming to? When a person is so involved with him or her self is too wrapped up in cool factor they become a black eye to the rest of us.
OK, I am no expert but if it looks like a gun/rifle/pistol and it fits me well. It has cool factor. I will want to share my possession with most people at the range. I dont mind any one shooting my equipment either. I really dont have any use for any one with that superior air about them. They tend to be dangerous and destructive. Keep your dogs,kids and wife away from those likes.
When I first read this post it was humorous but as it caused me to think a bit further and do some research.It reminds me why slavery was intentionally started, may be wars also.
For me I feel that there is no one out there who is more inferior than I. I have a lot to learn and a lot to teach. I enjoy good company and good conversation. I think the most important factor here is trying to acquaint myself with some one may be equal to me or superior in some fashion as I may wish to learn some new concept. Just because guy A has a double barrel H&H fully engraved 9 bore doesn't mean the guy with the Rossi single barrel single shot 16 ga is worthless because of the gun he affords to shoot. lets see: Judge a man by the content of his character not the color of his skin, Judge a man by his ability to help and assist his fellow man and not his ability to afford a multi thousand $$$$ fowling piece.
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03-19-2010, 12:42 AM
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#50 | | CERTIFIABLE GUN NUT
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I know I'm not. I love all things that go bang. Doesn't mean I'd own anything that does bang though.
What about GLOCK Haters, are they snobs because they're haters? lol
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03-19-2010, 01:00 AM
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#51 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Peoples Repooblik of Kaliforniastan.
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Originally Posted by Midas | If the gun is good quality, then I will buy it, fortunately in my years of buying and selling I have run across very few that I would consider to be "bad". | I'm sorry to say that I have.  | |
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03-19-2010, 07:59 AM
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#52 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by PAPA G do you look down your nose when someone brings a 3rd hand Mossberg to the Skeet Club???
do you cringe when someone brings a SNS to the Pistol Club???
do you sneer when someone shows up at the Rifle Range with a beat up mil/surp???
do you believe your gun is the best and anything less should be melted down???
then you may be a gun snob.
or are you like me...a non-snob. i like everything...the good the bad and the ugly. me i am looking to buy a fine Churchill shotgun, as soon as i hit the mega-buck lottery. but i am also in the market for a couple RG revolvers, some old top-break revolvers....whaddaya think of that  | For the most part no, but I don't like glocks (because they charge way to much for what you get) kel-tec's (junk) or hi-points (junk). Expensive shotguns make me laugh. Its a freakin tube, it doesn't even have rifling. All you need is for it to cycle and its as good as that 4000 dollar iti jober. I can't see any reason to pay for more than a benelli.
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03-19-2010, 08:22 AM
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#53 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca
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i buy the very best i can afford.
and i am certain that if i was wealthy i would own a lot of very expensive uber rare firearms.
and machine guns
and
and....
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03-19-2010, 10:28 AM
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#54 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Jay, Oklahoma, God's country.
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I've really enjoyed reading this thread. All the members who have visited my place are great folks, who enjoy the sport, and we've had some good times. I think G&G is the place where the best of the best come to share their love of the shooting sports, and to learn, and teach others from their experience. We may sound a bit snobbish at times, but we're far from it, though many of us do have preferences in firearms. Kudos to G&G!
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03-19-2010, 02:33 PM
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#55 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: MS
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I don't think I am a Gun Snob. I don't typically buy "cheap" guns, but a "cheap" gun is better than no gun if that is all you can afford. Now, there are a few guns (Lorcin mainly) that I just wouldn't shoot for saftey reasons.
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03-19-2010, 11:27 PM
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#56 | | Resident Curmudgeon
Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York
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I'm interested in everything that goes bang; it's just that some interest me more than others. I won't snoot anyone, though sometimes I get snooted because of my fondness for older guns. My parochial approach has gotten me "Hey, you wanna try a few shots?" with guns I never thought I'd have a chance to shoot unless I bought my own, like a 6 1/2 inch barreled S&W Model 29 (and yes, I want one!), a Hammerli .22 LR Olympic target pistol (which has a trigger pull so light, it was measured in ounces), a Broomhandle Mauser (I agree with the owner that it's inaccurate as hell without the shoulder stock), and an Auto-Ordnance Thompson carbine (I definitely want one).
Snooting sometimes cuts the other way. I had a couple of black rifle shooters sneer at Natasha, my scoped ex-Dragoon 91/30 with the jmeck scope mount and jmeck's custom LER extender rail. They mocked the setup - until we went to change target and they discovered my modified old Soviet warhorse was outshooting their tricked-out Poodle Shooters. They very humbly asked if they could try a few shots, so I handed them two stripper clips and told them to have at it. The funniest moment of the day was when the first guy, having figured out how to strip the rounds into the magazine, adjusted the focus on the scope, worked the bolt and fired into the 9-ring at 10 o'clock. He aimed again, squeezed the trigger and nothing happened. He looked at me and said he had a misfire. I pointed out that Natasha, unlike his black rifle, is a bolt action. It took him a few seconds to get it, and then we all had a chuckle as he worked the bolt. Apparently he'd never fired anything that wasn't a semi-auto before!
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03-20-2010, 12:11 AM
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#57 | | Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by Cyrano | I'm interested in everything that goes bang; it's just that some interest me more than others. I won't snoot anyone, though sometimes I get snooted because of my fondness for older guns. My parochial approach has gotten me "Hey, you wanna try a few shots?" with guns I never thought I'd have a chance to shoot unless I bought my own, like a 6 1/2 inch barreled S&W Model 29 (and yes, I want one!), a Hammerli .22 LR Olympic target pistol (which has a trigger pull so light, it was measured in ounces), a Broomhandle Mauser (I agree with the owner that it's inaccurate as hell without the shoulder stock), and an Auto-Ordnance Thompson carbine (I definitely want one).
Snooting sometimes cuts the other way. I had a couple of black rifle shooters sneer at Natasha, my scoped ex-Dragoon 91/30 with the jmeck scope mount and jmeck's custom LER extender rail. They mocked the setup - until we went to change target and they discovered my modified old Soviet warhorse was outshooting their tricked-out Poodle Shooters. They very humbly asked if they could try a few shots, so I handed them two stripper clips and told them to have at it. The funniest moment of the day was when the first guy, having figured out how to strip the rounds into the magazine, adjusted the focus on the scope, worked the bolt and fired into the 9-ring at 10 o'clock. He aimed again, squeezed the trigger and nothing happened. He looked at me and said he had a misfire. I pointed out that Natasha, unlike his black rifle, is a bolt action. It took him a few seconds to get it, and then we all had a chuckle as he worked the bolt. Apparently he'd never fired anything that wasn't a semi-auto before! | TOO FUNNY. Handi wipes anyone! LOL
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03-20-2010, 12:16 AM
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#58 | | Firearm Enthusiast
Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: West Virginia
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I have known people who had to have the best and would look down there nose at you if you didn't. The problem with them was they couldn't hit nothing with there high dollar toys!
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03-20-2010, 01:27 AM
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#59 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Norwalk CT
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Well I do'nt know if I am a gun snob but there are certian guns that IMO are cheaply made and unapealing to me. I prefer milsurps for the most part. Still I would never go up to anyone and say that gun is a POS. If you like it thats all that matters and I keep my opinions to myself. Mama always said if you do'nt have anything nice to say do'nt say anything at all!
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03-20-2010, 01:42 AM
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#60 | | Firearm Zealot
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I'm not! I've had other guys talk trash about my old military "boat oars" who had to eat their words when I outshot them. I've had the chance to shoot high-dollar guns, some of which shot very well, some no better than my old junk milsurps. I don't like some guns, but I'll die for everyone else's right to own them if they wish. FWIW, I recently offered to trade my Norinco Tokarev for a Ruger semi-auto and the guy told me he wouldn't own a Chinese gun-sounds like a snob to me...
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