Okay, I had started an earlier thread and then erased it.
I came home, flipped on the tube and heard Beck ranting about some "2nd Amendment group in Alaska."
He disparaged them because he thought they were nuts and going to get their guns and "go," whatever "go" means.
I got pissed off. It didn't appear to me that he had any facts. It sounded to me like he was quick to judge what may have been a perfectly legal and patriotic group meeting to discuss their frustrations with the current environment.
As soon as I posted that, my Dad wrote and said he thought it was indeed a kook group that advocated violence against the government...at least he heard something to that effect today, so I erased it.
If this group was doing something wrong, they should get hammered, but if Glenn thinks anyone with a gun that is thinking about their future is a nut, he ought to consider the pot-and-kettle rule.
Anyone catch it all? What was the scoop? I'm not sure if I should fire a nice e-mail to Glenn or not over the matter.
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That's the problem with Beck, he'll talk about how bad the government is and then turn around and cut down folks trying to stand up for their rights. He's got a dual personality.
I DRV Glenn every night. But have not seen this one yet.
I listen to Glenn every day on the radio, and watch frequently.
IMHO if Glenn is concerned about them for some reason then there is a good reason to listen.
There are those that think that Glenn is full of BS but I have been listening to him for years, and he has warned about all the crap that is going on right now for years. And no one listened.
It is scary how often Glenn get it right about what is going on, what is coming, don't go by part of what you heard. You have to listen to everything, because of how Glenn delivers his news if you miss the beginning of segment you can totally misunderstand what he is saying. Try to find some one that DVRed it and watch the whole thing
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Beck is right far more often than not... but that aside he really can come off as a tool sometimes. If you ever start to think Glenn is losing it, I prescribe 5 minutes of Olberman to set your mind right.
Freedom-1911: Yeah it's pretty much like you said, he is on top of things and people often times don't like to hear what he has to say because it sucks to face it...
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That's the problem with Beck, he'll talk about how bad the government is and then turn around and cut down folks trying to stand up for their rights. He's got a dual personality.
Beck has only one personality.The only way to get things straightened out is through peaceful involvment and voting.One nutty,wild,radical group can get firearms banned for everybody.A nutty uprising (like some I have heard on here)is our biggest danger to 2nd ammendment rights. ,,,sam.
I think what it was with the group in Alaska is he doesn't think it's at the point to where we need or have to use violence. And I have to agree.
But I also see no problem with people getting together and planning and maybe getting things ready. I mean, come on, you don't wait until the last minute or after the fact to get ready and plan things...
On the other side of the coin, I think Glenn said what he did because he knows the left will say they're doing that because of him, people like him and the things he and they say.
I know of NO ONE as of yet that has used a gun or violence in the name of Beck, Rush Limbaugh or anyone else and I think Glenn would never want anyone to ever do anything in his name.
Though he knows he'll get blamed anyhow.
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Beck is right far more often than not... but that aside he really can come off as a tool sometimes. If you ever start to think Glenn is losing it, I prescribe 5 minutes of Olberman to set your mind right. .
5 minutes of Keith Olbermann? Only if someone fires off a dozen .30 Carbine rounds from a Blackhawk in close proximity to my ears first. That self-promoting ____________ (fill in the blank yourself) couldn't cut it as a sportscaster, much less a national news reporter. He couldn't even get the names of the players right half the time....and not the hard ones either; he called John Elway "John Elrod" after he won the Superbowl MVP.
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5 minutes of Keith Olbermann? Only if someone fires off a dozen .30 Carbine rounds from a Blackhawk in close proximity to my ears first. That self-promoting ____________ (fill in the blank yourself) couldn't cut it as a sportscaster, much less a national news reporter. He couldn't even get the names of the players right half the time....and not the hard ones either; he called John Elway "John Elrod" after he won the Superbowl MVP.
That was my point DW.
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A Man WITH a gun is a CITIZEN, a Man WITHOUT a gun is a SUBJECT
FAIRBANKS — A local gun-rights advocate was arrested on a weapons charge on Wednesday night after Fairbanks police say he failed to notify an officer he was carrying a concealed pistol.
Schaeffer Cox was contacted by officers while monitoring the scene of a police search at an Eighth Avenue house at about 8 p.m. The 26-year-old carpenter and business owner is part of a “Liberty Bell” network that sends out mass notifications when someone believes their rights are being violated. The owner of the home had contacted him to complain that police were making an unauthorized search of her property.
While Cox was standing outside the home taking notes, police say he failed to tell them he was carrying a concealed .38-caliber pistol. He was arrested on a charge of fifth-degree weapons misconduct, a misdemeanor.
Sgt. Gary Yamamoto said Alaska statute requires that people immediately tell law enforcement officials about the presence of a concealed weapon after being contacted.
“We want everyone to be safe when we’re dealing with people,” he said.
It’s the second arrest this month for Cox, who was charged with felony assault on March 2, a week after Alaska State Troopers accused him of choking his wife during a trip to Anchorage. Cox, who didn’t have a previous criminal record, pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of misdemeanor reckless endangerment on March 5 and received a suspended sentence.
Cox is the leader of the local Second Amendment Task Force, which formed last year to support gun rights and organize several open-carry days, and is the founder of a grass-roots militia group. He became well-known two years ago after unsuccessfully challenging Rep. Mike Kelly in the House District 7 Republican primary.
Cox and Yamamoto, who contacted him at the scene, had different versions of the events leading up to Wednesday night’s arrest.
Cox said he questions the constitutionality of the notification requirement but that he complied with it. He said after Yamamoto contacted him and seized a small folding knife — its clip was visible in his pants pocket — he raised his arms and said that he was carrying a pistol. He said the notification occurred “within a matter of seconds” of contact between the two men.
“I don’t want to aggravate anything,” Cox said.
Yamamoto said he had already taken the knife from Cox and noted that Cox was wearing a bulletproof vest. When Cox headed toward the house that had two police officers inside, Yamamoto said he decided to check to see if Cox had a firearm.
Cox notified police he was carrying a weapon at the same time the concealed pistol was discovered during a search, Yamamoto said. The two men had talked earlier, he said, and the presence of the weapon never came up.
“There was more than one contact,” Yamamoto said. “He had more than one opportunity to tell me he had the gun.”
Yamamoto said arrests for failing to notify police about concealed weapons happen “fairly frequently,” although they usually take place during traffic stops, not encounters on the street.
Cox was the first person to arrive at the home after the owner complained that police were searching her home without permission. Cox said there are about 7,000 people in the area who are part of the Liberty Bell network, which was formed to monitor possible constitutional abuses by authorities.
Cox said that police interest in conducting a warrant-less search at the home diminished after a few people arrived to make sure the residence was being searched properly.
Police say they responded to the home after receiving a 911 hang-up call at 7 p.m. Yamamoto said a walk-through of a home is allowed under such circumstances to make sure that no one has been harmed.
Yamamoto said police saw an undetermined amount of marijuana growing in the home while making the safety check but that they aren’t allowed to seize it or make a drug arrest during a safety walk-through.
Yamamoto said a subsequent request for a search permit to look for drugs at the house was denied.
Cox wasn’t critical of police actions in the incident and said officers were probably acting out of an abundance of caution. He’s hopeful the issue will be resolved before formal charges are filed by prosecutors.
“They were trying to do the right thing, but I didn’t like getting arrested,” Cox said.
Cox is scheduled for a court arraignment on the weapons charge this morning.
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A Man WITH a gun is a CITIZEN, a Man WITHOUT a gun is a SUBJECT
FAIRBANKS — A local gun-rights advocate was arrested on a weapons charge on Wednesday night after Fairbanks police say he failed to notify an officer he was carrying a concealed pistol.
Schaeffer Cox was contacted by officers while monitoring the scene of a police search at an Eighth Avenue house at about 8 p.m. The 26-year-old carpenter and business owner is part of a “Liberty Bell” network that sends out mass notifications when someone believes their rights are being violated. The owner of the home had contacted him to complain that police were making an unauthorized search of her property.
While Cox was standing outside the home taking notes, police say he failed to tell them he was carrying a concealed .38-caliber pistol. He was arrested on a charge of fifth-degree weapons misconduct, a misdemeanor.
Sgt. Gary Yamamoto said Alaska statute requires that people immediately tell law enforcement officials about the presence of a concealed weapon after being contacted.
“We want everyone to be safe when we’re dealing with people,” he said.
It’s the second arrest this month for Cox, who was charged with felony assault on March 2, a week after Alaska State Troopers accused him of choking his wife during a trip to Anchorage. Cox, who didn’t have a previous criminal record, pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of misdemeanor reckless endangerment on March 5 and received a suspended sentence.
Cox is the leader of the local Second Amendment Task Force, which formed last year to support gun rights and organize several open-carry days, and is the founder of a grass-roots militia group. He became well-known two years ago after unsuccessfully challenging Rep. Mike Kelly in the House District 7 Republican primary.
Cox and Yamamoto, who contacted him at the scene, had different versions of the events leading up to Wednesday night’s arrest.
Cox said he questions the constitutionality of the notification requirement but that he complied with it. He said after Yamamoto contacted him and seized a small folding knife — its clip was visible in his pants pocket — he raised his arms and said that he was carrying a pistol. He said the notification occurred “within a matter of seconds” of contact between the two men.
“I don’t want to aggravate anything,” Cox said.
Yamamoto said he had already taken the knife from Cox and noted that Cox was wearing a bulletproof vest. When Cox headed toward the house that had two police officers inside, Yamamoto said he decided to check to see if Cox had a firearm.
Cox notified police he was carrying a weapon at the same time the concealed pistol was discovered during a search, Yamamoto said. The two men had talked earlier, he said, and the presence of the weapon never came up.
“There was more than one contact,” Yamamoto said. “He had more than one opportunity to tell me he had the gun.”
Yamamoto said arrests for failing to notify police about concealed weapons happen “fairly frequently,” although they usually take place during traffic stops, not encounters on the street.
Cox was the first person to arrive at the home after the owner complained that police were searching her home without permission. Cox said there are about 7,000 people in the area who are part of the Liberty Bell network, which was formed to monitor possible constitutional abuses by authorities.
Cox said that police interest in conducting a warrant-less search at the home diminished after a few people arrived to make sure the residence was being searched properly.
Police say they responded to the home after receiving a 911 hang-up call at 7 p.m. Yamamoto said a walk-through of a home is allowed under such circumstances to make sure that no one has been harmed.
Yamamoto said police saw an undetermined amount of marijuana growing in the home while making the safety check but that they aren’t allowed to seize it or make a drug arrest during a safety walk-through.
Yamamoto said a subsequent request for a search permit to look for drugs at the house was denied.
Cox wasn’t critical of police actions in the incident and said officers were probably acting out of an abundance of caution. He’s hopeful the issue will be resolved before formal charges are filed by prosecutors.
“They were trying to do the right thing, but I didn’t like getting arrested,” Cox said.
Cox is scheduled for a court arraignment on the weapons charge this morning.
So, my initial instincts were right. Beck made a snap judgment and quickly condemned a patriotic guy/group without knowing all the facts...the same thing he hits Obama for all the time.
Beck is wearing on me.
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Beck is ALWAYS cautioning us Patriots AGAINST actual physical action. This is because he believes just as many reasonable people do, that even if they are right, correct, and following the American tradition of throwing off your oppressors, the juggernaught of the American government, law enforcement, and military forces would CRUSH anyone who tried to take up arms against it.
America outlawed rebellion and sedition long ago. Armed action against the government would CAUSE a crackdown AND the elimination of even MORE rights of the people.... Thats the idea behind him speaking against it. He is probably right.
But, I fear that if elections this November continue to show liberal shenanigans, vote buying, vote creation, and fraud as they have in the last few years, the ballot-box will no longer be a viable option for the voice of the people..... So, then what?
Beck is ALWAYS cautioning us Patriots AGAINST actual physical action. This is because he believes just as many reasonable people do, that even if they are right, correct, and following the American tradition of throwing off your oppressors, the juggernaught of the American government, law enforcement, and military forces would CRUSH anyone who tried to take up arms against it.
America outlawed rebellion and sedition long ago. Armed action against the government would CAUSE a crackdown AND the elimination of even MORE rights of the people.... Thats the idea behind him speaking against it. He is probably right.
But, I fear that if elections this November continue to show liberal shenanigans, vote buying, vote creation, and fraud as they have in the last few years, the ballot-box will no longer be a viable option for the voice of the people..... So, then what?
Yea, with Holder throwing out the case against the black kittens and not going after them when it was obvious they were there to intimidate, means will see even more of them and or that this November?
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Beck is ALWAYS cautioning us Patriots AGAINST actual physical action.
It's his disclaimer, that's all. He knows how litigious our society has become so he stirs the pot and offers up his little disclaimer to protect himself and his employer, Rhupert Murdoch. He relishes in the anarchy he promotes. It sells.
NRA Lifer. God bless our troops.
