I have little respect for bear hunters. They sit way out of harms reach and shoot the lumbering animal as it goes after the bait. Unless a bear is wanted for a human attack, I think it is quite unnecessary and frankly a bit cowardly. I hate to see bear hunters brag about how they bagged a huge bear. No glory there...
I also think the bravado some of the bear hunters display is kind of silly too.
However, did ya ever hear about a deer hunter doing the same thing? In Wisconsin, until recently, hunting over bait for Whitetail was legal. Guys would bait deer all year long then shoot the biggest rack and brag about his trophy that he skillfully shot.
Kinda like shooting zoo animals huh?
Anyway, I am not against bear hunting in any way, but I too question the testosterone club when hunting baited animals.
And do not get me wrong, I wouldn,t hunt for a bear normally. And I have nothing against hunters legally hunting any animal.
I just have a silly rule about not hunting anything I won't eat, or hunting for any animal that will eat you if you miss.....
I've been bear hunting 4 times in the last 10 years in Canada and never used any bait. You stay out long enough, and you will run into them easily. Or, they'll run into you. And, that's when the real fun begins!
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I would bow hunt bear without bait if I had the opportunity.
Walking aroung the mountains (Mt Graham AZ) we came across a fenced in pen in the middle of no where. The forest ranger said it was for when bears chase you. If your lucky you run into one, get in & pull the ladder over the fence. Then sit around and wait for the critter to go away.
Did I miss something? Bragging rights where was that at? This animal killed a human being or am I wrong about that? If an animal takes a human life then it needs to be put down.
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Misssharpshooter: Those pictures were vivid to say the least. Went back and viewed your bear posts #1 & #2 and that helps me to understand the significance of #3.
1. Yes, that bear was about as big any I've ever seen. And 2, any bear which attacks humans should be dead meat as soon it can be put down. I had a friend who was a park ranger at Yellowstone and we talked about this subject several times. Once they cross the line and attack humans they're highly likely to repeat this again.
Regarding deer hunting, and I'm one, my guess is that a lot of those complainng about the lack of sport in this activity have never "been there, done that." Besides the challange in deer hunting, and there are many challanges, deer do a lot of damage to crops if not "harvested" when they become overly populated.
Thank-you Alan......for your responce....once again Lenny 2 has gone off on his own agenda...from the main topic of the post, which was some photo's of a bear that killed several people in a savage and vicious attack......
OXFORD...yes I totally agree with you on hunting...many people that are not hunters donot undertand that if many animals are not hunted the populations will not stay healthy...those populations will over breed and die out from starvation. Anyone who would like to know more about hunting or animal conservation can always take a hunting class with the NRA or learn about enviroment conservation and animals with Safari Club International. I am also happy that there are some people here on G&G that really read and comprehend what is being posted before they go off on some tangent...of there own......
Missharpshooter: Thanks! You're right on target and that's no pun.
Most posters on g&g take time to follow threads from beginning to end but occasionally someone jumps in without having read the initial posts. Hopefully I don't do that too often.(ha) Just takes a little more time to go back but it helps to keep egg of one's face if you know what I mean.
Now back to bad arse bears...I don't like them up close.(ha)
First, I hunt and I am a hunter and I have hunted deer over bait. I do not now, nor do I plan to hunt bears. If it is a legal season and you want to hunt the animal in season, hey, knock yourself out man!
Now to the bravado part. Lenny tripped a point in my mind. I know a few guys who talk like they are Daniel Boone himself. They bait everything they legally can.
I know one guy who cannot get off a clean shot, and has never found any deer he has hit, with an .06 or a bow, unless it's head was down in his bait pile less than 30 yards away.
To listen to him speak you'd think he stalked that deer, made a bow and arrow out of debris on the forrest floor and took the animal with a 200 yard shot, banked off an oak tree. Or that the rifle shot was a 500 yard shot through heavy cover, in low light.
His image of himself as a skilled and cunning hunter is laughable at best. Especially when he hunts somewhere other than his favorite blind with the bait pile 30 feet away. Aparently he cannot kill ananimal cleanly unless it's head is down in his bait pile.
The last deer he shot, was from 40 yards out. He took a pot shot at a trotting deer that he caught a glimpse of in the bush. Actually 2 shots. One shot hit the animal and it jumped straight up in the air and ran off.
The blood was tinged green and foul, a sure belly shot. We tracked that deer for over an hour and had to give up for the night. The next day, we found where he layed down for the night. But the deer had simply got up and walked away. We never found it.
He has wounded other deer, while not at his blind, and has never found them either.
My whole point is, and was, I don't much care for the braggers and show offs, especially when the truth is almost 180 degrees from the legend.
The bear in these pics was a mankiller and had to be harvested. But this is the second or 3rd time I have seen this dead bear, and there is always some different aspect to the story. It is fast becoming an urban legend.
I hope I cleared up my position, but most likely I muddied the water......
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I have seen that picture before. As I understood it, it was a record, but it was not a man-eater. It was simply killed by a hunter.
I personally have a problem with bear hunting unless the bear has attacked a human or unless the hunter is going to use the bear for food. It is my understanding that bear meat is not good for consumption.
Deer hunting is something diferent. I grew up in Michigan where deer are a real problem. They cause thousands of car accidents and hundredr of deaths on the highway. They eat crops. They end up starving to death some years because there are so darn many of them. Also, deer are generally eaten. Most of the deer gets used. Bear on the other hand...what does the hunter do with the bear? get it stuffed and put it in their entry way as if they are some great white hunter...
I am not anti-hunting by any means...Its just that I think bear hunting is over-glorified...
Originally posted by Lenny2 I have seen that picture before. As I understood it, it was a record, but it was not a man-eater. It was simply killed by a hunter.
I've seen the picture before too. I believe the bear charged him and he shot to defend himself. Hope to find the post that describes the incident.
I had got an email from a fellow gunner with 3 pictures and an article about this bear that had killed several people in brutal attacks in Alaska and was put down by a park ranger using a 7mm. I still had the pictures in my download file, but had deleted the article accidently....but I wanted to share the pictures so I posted them on G&G........and it has turned into an interesting post...about bear hunting...I have to agree about using bait to hunt bear..I don't think it is to sporting......as far as hunting for throphy...in Safari Club NO animals meat is ever wasted unless it is contaminated and cannot be eated.....Safari Club International is a wonderful organization that works to conserve nature, enviroment and animals...http://www.safariclubfoundation.org/ another link http://www.safariclub.org/
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Recognizing my responsibilities to wildlife, habitat and future generations, I pledge:
To conduct myself in the field so as to make a positive contribution to wildlife and ecosystems.
To improve my skills as a woodsman and marksman to ensure humane harvesting of wildlife.
To comply with all game laws, in the spirit of Fair Chase, and to influence meet companions accordingly.
To accept my responsibility to provide all possible assistance to game law enforcement officers.
To waste no opportunity to teach young people the full meaning of this code of ethics.
To reflect in word and behavior only credit upon the fraternity of sportsmen, and to demonstrate abiding respect for game, habitat and property where I am privileged to hunt.
I don't have a problem with baiting as long as it puts food on the table. I am not into sport hunting. I gave that up many moons ago. Speaking of that Dale -- haven't heard from you in a while.
Look animals were put on this earth for our use and not abuse. I believe that I have stated that before. Sport hunting-- I am not into wild game, but I made sure the meat went to someone who appreciated it.
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This kid killed this bear after it charged him, he emptied a 7mm rem mag into him and it was still alive he had to reload and finish it off.
Folks do alot of talking, but that attitude changes when your face to face with one of these creatures. I lived in Juneau for 3 years and fish commercially out in Elfin Cove near Glacier bay. We would take off every now and again to go berry pick'n or hit some streams for spawning salmon. It would never fail, we would run into a browny (large grizzly bear). We always had a weapon of some sort, usually a .44 mag pistola and a .375 H&H rifle, just in case. There's a reason for that. These muthas are dangerous.
This kid had his sences about him, cause when that bear charged he had almost zero time to react, that kid is one lucky mutha, not cause he killed a big bear, but cause that big bear didn't get him.
I'd be willing to bet, if a 13 foot browny stood up and charged any of us, less than 1% would have time to think let alone time to feel the warm goo fill your britches.
Baiting bears is pretty weak, but alot of people go out bear hunting and do stalk and they have a huge pucker factor!
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I was surprised the 7mm put him down...I would of had a .405 or like you said a .375 300 gr...thank-you for clearing up the story. How interesting it must have been for you to be able to hunt the last frontier...I would love to go to Alaska...I have always had a dream of seeing Alaska...did you ever get to that historical town Dawson City hope I spelled that right...maybe sometime you could share some stories and hunting adventures with us...:nod:
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